Change of cycle/ pre-wrestling

[Andre_G]

I'm considering running tren and winny together for my first cycle. This is mainly to get ripped hard and strong. I don't want to gain any size so i dropped the test.
Is it common to have trouble with your libido with tren? Some have told me they have no problems besides having a hard on all the time, and some have told me it kills your sex drive. It must vary from person to person but does it also depend on the amound you are injecting?

I am still considering running a test cycle, but if i do i will wait until february march when season is over and i dont have to worry about making any weight classes.

[Easto]

Andre, you know what I think

I would go into this season natural, then hit up a cycle in your off season. Remember, you still have to drop some weight to make your class.

[JohnnyB]

Bro drop the whole cycle idea. At 18 you don't need juice. Fina and winny aren't for first timers. Rely on your natural ability to wrestle not gear.

JohnnyB

[Andre_G]

Johnny, the thing is i can't juice next year, they do drug tests in University. So if i'm going to do it i need to do it so i have enough time to get clean before next September. I want to go in with an advantage come september.

Easto i think that's a good idea to get my hands on some test after season when i'm bulking again. I don't know.
Like you said, it's a tough decision.

Can anyone answer my question?

[JohnnyB]

Bro at 18 it'd do more harm then good.

What advantage will juice give you?

JohnnyB

[Easto]

Andre, Johnny is right about your age and not using gear. How good of a wrestler are you? If you're good, then rely on your talent to get you were you need to go.

Fina ins't a beginner drug. There are plenty of experienced juicers who refuse to use fina. Not because they don't like the gains, but becuase they can't handle the sides. Also, you won't want to inject yourself everyday (fina and winny require ED or EOD injections) because the injections can be a pain in the ass after a while. You'll end up being a human pin cushion by the end of all this.

[Andre_G]

The thing is, this cycle is STRICTLY for athletic purposes, im not doing this because i want to be "swoll" or intimidating. I want that edge going into tryouts for University. 80% of university wrestlers have done a cycle, and if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. From what i understand there are safe ways going about this. I'm trying to be AS SAFE and AS SURE as possible.
I don't think i could put up with being poked ED, i hate needles as it is. I will probably end up sticking with a cycle of test come may, i hope you guys understand that i am going to do this, and i hope you won't refuse to help me and keep on trying to deter me, because your advice IS greatly appreciated.

[JohnnyB]

Bro I think you've fallen for the media hype about steroids.

Juice isn't a magic potion, that'll give you muscle or make you a great athlete. They may help you improve, for instance.

If your a .220 hitter in baseball and hit 5 home runs a year juicing isn't going to make you a batter hitter and your home-run total may go up 5 more a year. You may get some more power on the ball when you do hit it. But your eye hand coordination is going to be the same, your hitting isn't going to jump to .320 because you juiced. Now if you a .320 hitter with 50 home runs a year, you may improve those home-runs by 5-20. Because some of those balls that were getting caught at the warning track will go out now because you have a bit more power, but it didn't make you a home-run hitter, you were already that it just helped you be a little better.

JohnnyB

[Easto]

Well, if you insist on doing a cycle:

Week 1- 10
400-500mg Test Enan or Test Cyp
Week 12 - 15
PCT

[Easto]

Originally posted by Easto
Well, if you insist on doing a cycle:

Week 1- 10
400-500mg Test Enan or Test Cyp
Week 12 - 15
PCT

Andre, if you need AAS to be a good wrestler, than maybe wrestling isn't for you. If I were you I would really reconsider doing a cycle. Stay natural for a couple more years, than hit up a cycle if you still want to.

I really don't want to see you run a cycle than regret it sometime down the road.

[Andre_G]

But you can't compare hitting a baseball to wrestling an opponent.
Is it not realistic to think i can come in at the same weight with a lower bf, more muscle and stronger if i were to juice? That's what i would hope to get from a cycle.

[JohnnyB]

Originally posted by Andre_G
The thing is, this cycle is STRICTLY for athletic purposes, im not doing this because i want to be "swoll" or intimidating. I want that edge going into tryouts for University. 80% of university wrestlers have done a cycle, and if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. From what i understand there are safe ways going about this. I'm trying to be AS SAFE and AS SURE as possible.
I don't think i could put up with being poked ED, i hate needles as it is. I will probably end up sticking with a cycle of test come may, i hope you guys understand that i am going to do this, and i hope you won't refuse to help me and keep on trying to deter me, because your advice IS greatly appreciated.

Bro advice is only good if you consider it and from this post it sounds like your not open to what's the healthiest or safest for you.

Bro don't say because 80% of them have done it I want to do it. Because I'm sure that if 80% did something that you think is disgusting to you, you wouldn't do it because 80% of wrestlers have.

I'd say you's be better off going with the 20%.

JohnnyB

[Andre_G]

Originally posted by Easto
Andre, if you need AAS to be a good wrestler, than maybe wrestling isn't for you. If I were you I would really reconsider doing a cycle. Stay natural for a couple more years, than hit up a cycle if you still want to.

I really don't want to see you run a cycle than regret it sometime down the road.

But they drug test in university. I'm friends with a national champ who told me he was able to do two cycles before he got into university and he came in with a strong hard base. He told me he was unable to inject ANYTHING during those four years at school, it's way too strict.

Can you explain to me how doing one cycle of test could ruin my natural test production if i were to run proper PCT? I don't mean that in a smart ass way, i want to understand where you are coming from.

[Easto]

You can do that without juice. It's all about diet!!!

Right now you still have to drop from 214lbs -- 209lbs correct??

I think if you run a cycle, you won't make weight. I would put money on it that you come in too heavy.

[JohnnyB]

Originally posted by Andre_G
But you can't compare hitting a baseball to wrestling an opponent.
Is it not realistic to think i can come in at the same weight with a lower bf, more muscle and stronger if i were to juice? That's what i would hope to get from a cycle.

That comes from diet and training not juice.

That's the media lie, then you use gear and some how these thing magically fall into place.

I used baseball as an example not comparing them. But OK, if you don't have the moves to pin someone. Being stronger isn't going help and juicing isn't going to give you those moves.

JohnnyB