Novladex for women

[Sadie]

ok so obviously i wouldnt use Novla for PCT since women dont require PCT. I put this question here because Novla is used for PCT and i felt stupid sticking it in the cycle area hehe


Ok so how helpful is Novladex on women? My understanding is that it will lower my estro levels and help with fat loss and muscle gain. Is this actually true on someone with lots of natural estro or is it only true for test/estro conversion?
If it would be effective... how effective? Worth doing or not?

As well.... and here is where im nervous lol I am on primo... have had zero virilization sides which makes me smile obviously... is it likely that if i add novla to this that those sides will start? I do not want a goatee or a jock strap here guys so if its fairly likely to cause icky sides then PLEASE mention that lol


thanks

[Ms.Wetback]

The rebound from what I have heard\read is horrendous.

[liftsiron]

The rebound from what I have heard\read is horrendous.

I believe that to be more myth than fact.
I have seen women make remarkable gains, lose bf and harden up on a cycle of primo/nolvadex and proviron. Masteron can be subbed for proviron.

[Sadie]

I believe that to be more myth than fact.
I have seen women make remarkable gains, lose bf and harden up on a cycle of primo/nolvadex and proviron. Masteron can be subbed for proviron.

and there were no virilization sides? that is my biggest concern honestly... thus far i have gotten extremely lucky in that area and i really wouldnt like that to change now lol

[Ms.Wetback]

How much Nolva Lifts ? ? ?

[Fayde]

I believe that to be more myth than fact.
I have seen women make remarkable gains, lose bf and harden up on a cycle of primo/nolvadex and proviron. Masteron can be subbed for proviron.

I agree. The last gal I know was running 5 then 10mg a day.

[Deacon]

I have a friend on masteron right now - long ester 100 mgs per week - and she has been lifting for years - after 8 weeks no ill effects and she is bigger and harder than ever

[Deacon]

nolva should be run 20 mgs ed for a woman - about 8 weeks at a time

[Sadie]

ok nolva is shipping tomorrow... is it 20mg or 20 mcg?? there is a hell of a difference so i wanna make sure LOL ill start it when it arrives for 8 weeks and see how it goes. wish me luck lol

[RJH8541]

A good post from a competing (girl)friend. She is a wealth of knowledge and I would trust everything she says.

"the idea of Nolvadex is to control the estrogen rebound post cycle, basically allowing your estrogen to come back up to normal levels gradually.

the dosage would depend on the length and type of cycle you are coming off... the more androgenic the higher the starting dosage...

Unfortunetly there is no "norm" for this so i really can't be exact in telling you where to start... if you don't have side effects from suppressed estrogen, you may not need to use Nolvadex at all... maybe an otc ie:malefuel would do the trick... but if you think you are heading for a rebound, then perhaps you start with 10mgs for the first 4 days and then lower it to 5mgs for the next 6 days and then finish the taper with 2.5mgs for the last 4 days (i tend to stick with the 14day rule) "

My experience with some of my clients who have used it has not been so great. Even Kris (above) has told me more negative than positive. As far as regulating endogenous estrogen I would think post cycle would be the only time to use it. And even then I would think a taper (unlike with men where I think its useless) would be more beneficial. I have never been a big fan of females using androgens anyway... but I don't know how serious you are in the BBing game, hell, I don't even know if you compete. If you don't I certainly wouldn't mess with it.

To me Nolva for women is like Slin for men. No need to use it unless you are just curious (which I don't recommend)... or more importantly you are planning on competing at a very high level (Nat'l or better) and you are 100% in tune with your body's physiological makeup. There are plenty of other ways to gain an edge.

One more thing. Not sure what your sex situation is... but taking nolv or arim while on the pill can interact with your pill... research has shown that nolv can increase fertility, so a backup birth control method should be used. i honestly don't know what would happen with your endogenous estrogen if you add both an anti-estrogen and your bc?? Counterproductive??

And when you block estrogen, your test runs the show a bit more lol... meaning believe it or not, estrogen is great for your skin, test is not... so zits can and may come with lower estrogen levels... there are ways to combat it... otc acne medications, LOTS of water, cardio and sweating and or not taking nolv... I like that last one the best.

[Sadie]

A good post from a competing (girl)friend. She is a wealth of knowledge and I would trust everything she says.

"the idea of Nolvadex is to control the estrogen rebound post cycle, basically allowing your estrogen to come back up to normal levels gradually.

the dosage would depend on the length and type of cycle you are coming off... the more androgenic the higher the starting dosage...

Unfortunetly there is no "norm" for this so i really can't be exact in telling you where to start... if you don't have side effects from suppressed estrogen, you may not need to use Nolvadex at all... maybe an otc ie:malefuel would do the trick... but if you think you are heading for a rebound, then perhaps you start with 10mgs for the first 4 days and then lower it to 5mgs for the next 6 days and then finish the taper with 2.5mgs for the last 4 days (i tend to stick with the 14day rule) "

My experience with some of my clients who have used it has not been so great. Even Kris (above) has told me more negative than positive. As far as regulating endogenous estrogen I would think post cycle would be the only time to use it. And even then I would think a taper (unlike with men where I think its useless) would be more beneficial. I have never been a big fan of females using androgens anyway... but I don't know how serious you are in the BBing game, hell, I don't even know if you compete. If you don't I certainly wouldn't mess with it.

To me Nolva for women is like Slin for men. No need to use it unless you are just curious (which I don't recommend)... or more importantly you are planning on competing at a very high level (Nat'l or better) and you are 100% in tune with your body's physiological makeup. There are plenty of other ways to gain an edge.

One more thing. Not sure what your sex situation is... but taking nolv or arim while on the pill can interact with your pill... research has shown that nolv can increase fertility, so a backup birth control method should be used. i honestly don't know what would happen with your endogenous estrogen if you add both an anti-estrogen and your bc?? Counterproductive??

And when you block estrogen, your test runs the show a bit more lol... meaning believe it or not, estrogen is great for your skin, test is not... so zits can and may come with lower estrogen levels... there are ways to combat it... otc acne medications, LOTS of water, cardio and sweating and or not taking nolv... I like that last one the best.

that was extremely helpful. im not on a HEAVY androgenic cycle.. just primo and i was told that ON cycle would be when to add it... for 8 weeks so now im kind of confused lol i have stuff to deal with any skin issues since i have experienced issues in the past from being on cycle so im not too worried about that part. as for the bc thing..its not an issue had my tubes tied over a yr ago so if i get pregnant i am suing my doctor LOL

[RJH8541]

that was extremely helpful. im not on a HEAVY androgenic cycle.. just primo and i was told that ON cycle would be when to add it... for 8 weeks so now im kind of confused lol i have stuff to deal with any skin issues since i have experienced issues in the past from being on cycle so im not too worried about that part. as for the bc thing..its not an issue had my tubes tied over a yr ago so if i get pregnant i am suing my doctor LOL

haha. tell me dear, what are you hoping to gain from this run with Nolva? Maybe that will help me with any advice I can give.

[Sadie]

bf loss and to harden up. estro seems to fight both of those results lol

[RJH8541]

bf loss and to harden up. estro seems to fight both of those results lol

what BF are you at now? Only reason i ask is b/c i don't see any reason to use Nolva, since its rebound effect could be alot worse than any positive effects you gain, unless you are in single digits and looking for that last little bit to place higher. Just my opinion though.

[Sadie]

what BF are you at now? Only reason i ask is b/c i don't see any reason to use Nolva, since its rebound effect could be alot worse than any positive effects you gain, unless you are in single digits and looking for that last little bit to place higher. Just my opinion though.

im currently under 12% bf and looking for that "last little bit" lol trying to get to 10 at the moment