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As some of you know I will be running test cyp due to low test levels. I'm in my early 20's. Blood work came back and I was 210 for total testosterone and the normal range is 250-1100. I want to get as close to 1100 as I can without shutting down. I will be running 100mg/4days. Keeping it low just to get back where I need to be. I doubt it will shut me down but better safe than sorry. If I was to use HCG along with it to keep my nut working, what dosages would you recommend? I have been doing research for hours for the past 3 days and have read so much shit and I'm confused as fuck. I will most likely be on test for a long time(or life) and am wondering how I should incorporate the HCG into my routine or if I should at all. Thanks in advance.
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100mgs exo test every 4 days will shut you down, no doubt about it. All hcg will do is prevent your nuts from shrinking.
You may not even need hcg because you are going to be shut down regardless.
Exo test signals the HTPA axis which is located in the brain and regulates the production of six major hormones. One being testosterone, the HTPA normally produces FSH and LH which signals the testes to keep active producing test and sperm. When you administer test even at low levels the HTPA stops production of FSH and LH this is what is meant by "shutdown".ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle -
The whole Reason why I'm worried is because I would like to have kids in the future. Should I stay away from test all together? What do u recommended lifts?Everything I say/post/pm is strictly for entertainment purposes. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY! ThanksComment
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lol me 2
the way I feel is if you have a problem with infertility it will be there with or without test. Meaning the test just shuts down production dont kill the sperm off. HCG will make you blow wads but the HCG will make you blow wads of dead sperm if you already have an infertility issue...
But its a very gray area to me... which is why I inquire about it as well...Last edited by black7; 10-07-2010, 10:07 AM.Tempus fugit, Carpe diem.
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I don't know if I have infertility issues or not because I've never tried to have kids. I already have the test sitting at home and it's so tempting. Maybe I should go to a fertility clinic and get tested and if I am fertile, maybe I sould have those little guys frozen. Any input?Everything I say/post/pm is strictly for entertainment purposes. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY! ThanksComment
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I don't know if I have infertility issues or not because I've never tried to have kids. I already have the test sitting at home and it's so tempting. Maybe I should go to a fertility clinic and get tested and if I am fertile, maybe I sould have those little guys frozen. Any input?Everything I say/post/pm is strictly for entertainment purposes. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY! ThanksComment
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have your fertile sperm cryogenically frozen. This is common among young men that go on TRT. Testosterone may or may not make you infertile for the period of testosterone application. Exogenous testosterone application is commonly researched for male birth control. As you know birth control is not 100% effective. So just as a woman can get pregnant on BC a man can impregnate on test, but it is unlikely. If all goes as it is supposed to you should have normal fertility once off of test.Tempus fugit, Carpe diem.
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That the problem though, IDK if I will be ever off test. I'm tired ALL the time and cant function right. I cant even finish my workouts sometimes and once I start feeling good again, I probably wont come off of it.Everything I say/post/pm is strictly for entertainment purposes. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY! ThanksComment
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i would def consult your prescribing doctor.... he would have better advice... Did he mention anything to you about infertility? Did you ask by chance? I would give him a call... But just from what I am reading I think you will be fine... Everyone seems to say that they have gotten their women prego while extended AAS use and even while on. As I was saying, if you may decide to have kids freez your boys, or get off test for a while and screw your girl.... your reproductive system will fuel up while off cycle but will only be suppressed while on unless you already have a preexisting fertility problem.
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I dont think being suppressed has shit to do with fertility - in fact I think the issues are one of those thinsg that get thrown together and confusedOriginally Posted by Doink the clown;
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If you take test your sperm count will be reduced. No ifs, no buts it will, take my word for it. All these comments that 'I got my girl knocked up while on' are about as credible as 'I knew a guy that smoked 30 per day all his life and lived till he was 90'.
That's the first myth blown away.
The second myth is that taking HCG while on will keep/improve your sperm. This is true as to the headline sperm count, but false, I repeat absolutely false in terms of effective sperm.
The logic of running hcg while on is to keep your nads stimulated to produce natty test, this will NOT stop your LH levels from dropping, but it will mean that the Leydig cells in the testes will be kept upregulated so that when you come off, and do your PCT (nolva) which is designed to stimulate your LH production, your testes, specifically those leydig cells within, will respond quicker as they haven't been dormant.
The dosage of hcg to take while on, to keep the testes active is either 250iu every 4 days or 500iu once a week.
That's the situation with regard to LH and natty test, spermogenesis is a whole different ball game and harder to manipulate. Put simply, its all about FSH, and all this stuff you read on bbing forums generally is ignorant of FSH. This is because bbing related hormone manipulation is all about test.Last edited by Mr Incredible; 10-24-2010, 07:01 AM.Comment
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