#5, critique fellas

[stumpyone]

1-4 and 16-20 test prop 200 eod
1-16 test e @ 750 2pwer week
1-6 and 14-18 npp 150 eod
1-12 deca 600 per week

Am I correct that we can use the npp same as prop to kickstart and shorten time to pct
Got my adex , dostinex, climid and nolva.
5'7"
230
32
18%;[/LIST]

[stumpyone]

Buf and shovel ur advice is especially appreciated as well as all u others

[Dath]

IMO the cycle looks pretty good the main thing with switching between short and long esters would be the timing of transition.
When I run a 19 nor I add caber in at .5 mgs x2 a wk to combat progesterone gyno.
the only other concern I would have is the higher BF % and the higher risk of sides that can come with it bro. You are correct in being able to start you pct sooner with the short esters.
Curious what input others have on the transitioning and if I'm just over thinking it.

[Freezerdude]

I don't see much wrong with running it this way but myself I wouldn't run Npp and Deca, I mean I see the time line and understand why your doing it but I would either run on or the other and If I did run this I would run your adex @ .5 eod throughout the cycle.. Myself I never run anything until the first signs of sides but in this case the adex would be a good idea.. And since your running a gram and a half a of test ew I would throw in some HCG..

[Shovel]

Finally somebody using prop!
I love the layout, but definately stay on top of the AI and in doing so, you SHOULD be able to keep prog sides away. Personally, I've never had a problem with deca and needed caber.

Npp will work great as a kicker, but it's not as fast as prop.

[bufbiker]

1-4 and 16-20 test prop 200 eod
1-16 test e @ 750 2pwer week
1-6 and 14-18 npp 150 eod
1-12 deca 600 per week

Am I correct that we can use the npp same as prop to kickstart and shorten time to pct
Got my adex , dostinex, climid and nolva.
5'7"
230
32
18%;[/LIST]

Very nice. The NPP kicker is fine. But I would drop it at week 4 the same as if you were front-loading with prop.
The reason being that you will have built up enough nandrolone in your system at that point to begin seeing results from the Deca.
I do have problems on nandrolones anmd always run caber/dost with it.

[Glycomann]

2 grams of gear a week. You need that much to grow?

[Glycomann]

Once you drop the kickers you're going to stagnate.

[BigSickD]

As for the cycle, these gave you good advice, not much to add there and having never used npp, I have no input on it. Here's what I think you need to do, your bf% is high dude, you Probaly really need to clean up your diet and put more effort into it and some cardio to het the gains you really want. I understand the whole Bulking thing, I just finished a bulk phase myself and got up to 276 but my bf never got above 15%. It looks like your going after more size, but quality size is what you want not just scale size. I see guys all the time in the gym that work out daily, take mass amounts of gear and look like big fat asses. Just my input

[Shovel]

^^^ Right on.

Diet is the big secret, Juice is the easy part!

[Glycomann]

^^^ Right on.

Diet is the big secret, Juice is the easy part!

Yup

[stumpyone]

Thanks for all the replies guys. As far as the bf I tend to run opposite of most leaning down considerably while on cycle with an extremely clean diet but when off my affinty for cold beer and scotch fattens me up a bit. Dont drink on cycle to spare my liver from falling out of my asshole. Generally end cycle at 10% give or take. Will shorten the npp at start but at end of cycle when i transition off deca and back to npp should I reduce the 150eod since I will already have plenty of nor in my system? Maybe start light and increase towards the last dose?

[Glycomann]

I would rather end with longer esters since they taper out slowly. I have less of a crash that way. But as long as you have a medium ester test in there that shouldn't be much of a problem. One way to cycle and overcome a stagnation at around week 8 is to add something else in at around week 6 or maybe even 8. Personally I don't front load either. I can feel lethargic if I hit to much juice but that might just be me. I would rather just let it creep up at week 3 and ride the growth to week 8 and then push it a little further by upping the dose around 6-8 week mark or adding in a solid oral or even an injectable hardener. Then watch the growth take off again through week 12 or so.

[Shovel]

What's this "end" thing we're talking about? Ha

[stumpyone]

Yeah shovel, have been considering staying on. Got 7 kids so dont need my nuts anymore anyhow