superanabolon ??

[oneunit]

what is annabolon aka nandrol phenylpropinate durobolin i know its 25mg how much is needed a week to add to a cycle ?

[JohnnyB]

It's norandrolone with a short ester 350mg a week 100mg eod is a good start.

JohnnyB

[oneunit]

i was wondering because it comes it 25mg amps 100 eod that get expensive could i get away with 100mg a week ?

[FContact]

If the ester is Phenylpropionate then it is actually medium to long lasting. Phenylprop has a carbon count of nine, which is one carbon lower than the decanoate ester. Decanoate is the longest lasting ester in sustanon. Phenyl Prop being the 2nd longest lasting in the blend. Now the the phenylprop ester is not to be confused with the Propionate ester which is a compound which only has a carbon count of 3 and is short acting and would require frequent inj. That being said I don't see a need for inj of eod. However JB is right you would at least need to start with 350-400mg/wk. Also what do you plan on adding it to?

[oneunit]

i was going to run it with omnadren or with qv test E

[liftsiron]

If the ester is Phenylpropionate then it is actually medium to long lasting. Phenylprop has a carbon count of nine, which is one carbon lower than the decanoate ester. Decanoate is the longest lasting ester in sustanon. Phenyl Prop being the 2nd longest lasting in the blend. Now the the phenylprop ester is not to be confused with the Propionate ester which is a compound which only has a carbon count of 3 and is short acting and would require frequent inj. That being said I don't see a need for inj of eod. However JB is right you would at least need to start with 350-400mg/wk. Also what do you plan on adding it to?

I think that both prop and pprop have half lives of approx 4.5 days. Isocaproate is the second long acting ester in sus.

[FContact]

How can that be. Even the ester weight of Phenylprop is more than the isocap. That aside isocap only has a carbon count of 6 and Phenylprop has 9. Decanoate has the highest carbon count and the most ester weight being the longest lasting ester of the four. OneUnit if you only have a choice of running the omnadren or the test e then I would choose the test E.

[oneunit]

thanks fellas

[liftsiron]

How can that be. Even the ester weight of Phenylprop is more than the isocap. That aside isocap only has a carbon count of 6 and Phenylprop has 9. Decanoate has the highest carbon count and the most ester weight being the longest lasting ester of the four. OneUnit if you only have a choice of running the omnadren or the test e then I would choose the test E.

I see what your saying Fcontact and I have to agree with you. I cross referenced anabolics 2000 with a thread here on ester half lives, both listed prop and pprop as short esters. Then I checked for the actual ester weight and carbon length as you mentioned and behold.


Molecular weight of ester: 74.0792 (propionic acid, 3 carbons)
Molecular weight of ester: 116.1596 (isocaproic acid, 6 carbons)
Molecular weight of ester: 150.1768 (Propionic acid phenyl ester, 9 carbons)

It looks as if anabolics 2000 was incorrect as far as sus 250 is concerned.

[liftsiron]

I used this popular list as a cross reference as well, we are going to need to update the pprop half life.

http://www.premiermuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2755&highlight=esters

[FContact]

I think we should make the list a sticky with all the corrections. There was another mistake that you caught on the post I made over at IT but I can't remember what compound it was.

[liftsiron]

I think we should make the list a sticky with all the corrections. There was another mistake that you caught on the post I made over at IT but I can't remember what compound it was.

Yes that is a good idea, I think that what your referring to is tren detection time.