Advice Please

[calglen]

Hey all, I want to start my 3rd cycle the last one I did 500 mg of test-e/week for 12 weeks and anavar for 6 weeks. I am 41yo, 5'8" and my weight fluctuates between 155-163 but last cycle I got to 172, which made me happy but I lost all the weight after.

I am trying to maintain muscle so not sure what to do. My buddy told me tren and test but I am not sure how much of each and for how long. I would also like to do anavar again since I liked the gains during the cycle. Also advice on PCT would be helpful.

[Rebornlite]

What did your PCT look like for last 2 cycles?

[Puff88]

Is anavar the only drug youve used other than test so far? If so, id say there are alot of other compounds to add in before jumping to tren. Diet and training post cycle is going to be key to keeping as much gains as possible.

[kriegernindo]

Before starting new cycle order a product called The Cleaner. This will assist your liver in excreting toxic material and sludge, pumping out old stagnant bile and can kill parasites as well. You will have more energy and any wasting condition can be addressed by doing these a few times a year. Sometimes the body will lose weight and muscle if it is toxic and sick and the liver is not functioning well.

It is always beneficial regardless because it allows our cells to breathe easier. This will also help freshen your body and all it's receptors for next cycle and allow for better nutrient absorption. Get the 14 day formula and run half the bottle.

For your next cycle you can try something like

Week 1-10

Test 500 mg
Deca 400 mg

Week 1-4 / or / 4-8

Anavar 50 mg

Week 11-14

Test Enanthate 250 mg

Arimidex 0.5 mg eod to start off ...

but you will have to taper to your needs. You may not need it intially but I would. This is just an idea. You have to research to formulate your best cycle in conjunction with your particular response.

You will want to take liver support preferably a well designed high quality combo of milk thistle and astragalus and celery seed etc etc if you take orals.

I also like to drink grapefruit juice every day to keep my liver strong as well.

Another possible cycle

Week 1-12

Test 400 mg
NPP 50 eod

Adex as needed

If youve not used nandrolone before research it for a few hours and learn about its unique possible sides...nothing crazy but can be aggravating if not prepared for. High dose B6 and L-Dopa are natural alternative to caber or prami

[kriegernindo]

Better to gain slowly than quickly. You will have better chances of keeping more. Instead of PCT if you wish to do so you can just go onto 150mg of test per week after week 14 to bridge into next cycle or stay on indefinitely... giving blood when needed

[kriegernindo]

No need to use tren unless you are trying to look a certain way for a certain period of time. It's very harsh and reduces your intelligence noticably while you are on it.

One day I may run it again.

[Darkness]

I’m going to go against the grain here and offer the advice to try again and do it fright this time. Do 500 EW test with the oral at the end, a good PCT, and a nutrition plan that’s followed through the cycle and months after the PCT. Gain 25 pounds and keep 15.

A friend of mine recently did a first cycle and he kept on the nutrition and training plan through and post PCT and he looks like he never came off. His next cycle will be epic due to his reliance on a solid written nutrition plan and intense training.

You can throw any drug you want at yourself but the food decides what you keep.

[Darkness]

No need to use tren unless you are trying to look a certain way for a certain period of time. It's very harsh and reduces your intelligence noticably while you are on it.

One day I may run it again.

Reduces intelligence? I would say the cognitive and intuitive skills for most users are vastly improved while on tren. Mine are.

[HDH]

I’m going to go against the grain here and offer the advice to try again and do it fright this time. Do 500 EW test with the oral at the end, a good PCT, and a nutrition plan that’s followed through the cycle and months after the PCT. Gain 25 pounds and keep 15.

A friend of mine recently did a first cycle and he kept on the nutrition and training plan through and post PCT and he looks like he never came off. His next cycle will be epic due to his reliance on a solid written nutrition plan and intense training.

You can throw any drug you want at yourself but the food decides what you keep.

I agree.

Keeping gains won't make a difference if you use the tren. It all depends on what is done afterwards.

If you want to keep what you have you can't let up on diet or training. If you go below maintenance cals, drop protein intake or slack on tearing down muscles, you will lose gains. If you want to get big, you will have to make it a lifestyle.

You are in the right place man, good luck.

[Kluso]

I do think drug choice is a factor though. For example if it increases water weight. Water weight causes your muscle to be fuller and look bigger. So when you come off you look a lot smaller and think you lost size. Which you have but it wasn’t real muscle tissue. So using something like mast, primo or even tren would be a good choice if wanting to not have that big swing in weight and size when you come off. But I also wouldn’t suggest using tren if you are coming off. Most have a hard time recovering from tren or nandro (nor19s). If you are set on tren than hcg throughout the cycle is imperative! Fallowed by nolva and clomid for PCT. But again. I highly recommend against it unless on trt or wanting to stay on and cruise for awhile afterwards. I personally hatted the yo-yoing and now stay on(trt). I really didnt start making substantial gains until I did so. But I did have lowT from the start. Before I even started cycling. It’s why I got into all this really. If you are gonna run a nor19 you should plan on never coming off imo. And only use it when you are ready to do so because many do not recover fully after using them. So my advice is test and mast or test and primo. That way you aren’t adding a lot of water weight on your cycle and won’t get such a swing in weight when u come off. But you will always lose som weight when u come off. And it can go to your head. This is why a lot of guys stay on. And stay above trt doses year round. Not healthy but guys get addicted to that look and size.

[kriegernindo]

Reduces intelligence? I would say the cognitive and intuitive skills for most users are vastly improved while on tren. Mine are.

I've just found I've become more animalistic and short tempered on it despite me trying to control it and I read a tren thread on another board a while back and a guy was logging his 10 week tren cycle, not sure what else he was running but he commented as well as others and I tended to agree that tren makes you feel more primitive. Maybe that's what I should have said.

Jme

[Rebornlite]

I've just found I've become more animalistic and short tempered on it despite me trying to control it and I read a tren thread on another board a while back and a guy was logging his 10 week tren cycle, not sure what else he was running but he commented as well as others and I tended to agree that tren makes you feel more primitive. Maybe that's what I should have said.

Jme

This makes me inclined to run a tren cycle while participating in a feminism rally. Give em a good dose of "toxic masculinity" : )

[Dustined83]

I’m going to go against the grain here and offer the advice to try again and do it fright this time. Do 500 EW test with the oral at the end, a good PCT, and a nutrition plan that’s followed through the cycle and months after the PCT. Gain 25 pounds and keep 15.

A friend of mine recently did a first cycle and he kept on the nutrition and training plan through and post PCT and he looks like he never came off. His next cycle will be epic due to his reliance on a solid written nutrition plan and intense training.

You can throw any drug you want at yourself but the food decides what you keep.

This. I was gonna say the compound doesn't matter as much as the diet to me. Eat like you wanna grow and you will. with orv we ithoutvjuice but faster on it.
Maybe go for the long lived testcdeca dbol cycle just make sure you have everything on hand for cycle and PCT before you start your cycle lol

[Dawgpound_Hank]

Damn is everyone in here BLIND? This is the dudes THIRD cycle, and is still only 155-160 lbs at 5'8.

Buddy, LAST thing you need is steroids! You need to learn how to EAT and how to TRAIN! Jesus H you have no business messing with steroids. How much did you weigh on your FIRST cycle then, 120? How about your 2nd cycle? How many years, or MONTHS, have you lifted weights? Can you answer those questions honestly? Can you also please post your workout routine AND what you eat in a day? Answer those and we all can be more help.

[Dawgpound_Hank]

Reduces intelligence? I would say the cognitive and intuitive skills for most users are vastly improved while on tren. Mine are.

With all the tren YOU have ran, you must be one dumb mofo by now!LOL