deca winn cycle

[jdoc08]

my first cycle consisted of test e which was an 8week cycle. i saw moderate gains nothing big which is understandable. now that summer is near im hitting the cardio and weights 5x as hard. right now i just picked up some sust300, winnie 10mg pills, deca, and some dianabol. i was thinking of doing a deca win cycle since deca has less water retention then the dbol and obviously the win will help cut the water weight. im at a farely good size now so im happy just have to cut the stomach up a lil more and loose the water around the arms and legs. any sugestions on how much of each per week i should take what my dosage should be would help. private messages are fine.

[rado]

my first cycle consisted of test e which was an 8week cycle. i saw moderate gains nothing big which is understandable. now that summer is near im hitting the cardio and weights 5x as hard. right now i just picked up some sust300, winnie 10mg pills, deca, and some dianabol. i was thinking of doing a deca win cycle since deca has less water retention then the dbol and obviously the win will help cut the water weight. im at a farely good size now so im happy just have to cut the stomach up a lil more and loose the water around the arms and legs. any sugestions on how much of each per week i should take what my dosage should be would help. private messages are fine.

Do you know what you're doing ? I don't think you do. What makes you think that deca and winny cycle is good, and with no test ? What are you going to use for PCT ?

[ronb]

Test should always be added to a cycle. There should be some info here on the effects deca only without test could have on your sex drive.

[BigSickD]

My advice is too do alot more research and you will conclude that with what you have, a test, deca, winny cycle would be what you want to do. Test should be the base of any cycle. Also, if you don't already have a low bf% the winny will do almost nothing for you but make your joints sore.

[liftsiron]

My advice is too do alot more research and you will conclude that with what you have, a test, deca, winny cycle would be what you want to do. Test should be the base of any cycle. Also, if you don't already have a low bf% the winny will do almost nothing for you but make your joints sore.

Good advice.

[Deacon]

my first cycle consisted of test e which was an 8week cycle. i saw moderate gains nothing big which is understandable. now that summer is near im hitting the cardio and weights 5x as hard. right now i just picked up some sust300, winnie 10mg pills, deca, and some dianabol. i was thinking of doing a deca win cycle since deca has less water retention then the dbol and obviously the win will help cut the water weight. im at a farely good size now so im happy just have to cut the stomach up a lil more and loose the water around the arms and legs. any sugestions on how much of each per week i should take what my dosage should be would help. private messages are fine.

sus 300? no dont do this cycle you mentioned - bad idea

[jdoc08]

i love when people give me advice like add test to the cycle and shit like this and no i dont mind criticizim but rado since you know so much why arent you a giant i am as big as you natural brother. deacon and everyone else that posted thank you. what kind of test should i add. im trying to bulk with low water retention and thats why i added winnie. the other thing i deffinetly need advice on is what my pct treatments should be after this. i know hgc is highly preferred but i heard the mixing is a pain in the ass would clomid do what i need or is hgc nessecary. thank you

[ronb]

i love when people give me advice like add test to the cycle and shit like this and no i dont mind criticizim but rado since you know so much why arent you a giant i am as big as you natural brother. deacon and everyone else that posted thank you. what kind of test should i add. im trying to bulk with low water retention and thats why i added winnie. the other thing i deffinetly need advice on is what my pct treatments should be after this. i know hgc is highly preferred but i heard the mixing is a pain in the ass would clomid do what i need or is hgc nessecary. thank you

Keep your cycle simple. Get test cyp for a 200 - 250mg shot every 4 days. why is mixing hcg a pain? i have never had a problem with it. HAve nolva on hand in case gyno shows it's ugly head and take the clomid 3 weeks after the last inject if doing cyc. i know there's a thread here with clomid dosage so look thru that and you should be fine. Remember it's not the drugs that get you big it's the diet and training regime. the drug assist those 2.

[bigkarch]

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My advice is too do alot more research and you will conclude that with what you have, a test, deca, winny cycle would be what you want to do. Test should be the base of any cycle. Also, if you don't already have a low bf% the winny will do almost nothing for you but make your joints sore.

bump....I can also guess your diet and training can do some tweaking by your posts....do that first bro, and in the mean time, keep studying aas and its profiles.....hang in there bro..

[jdoc08]

should i take sustanon for bulk with low water weight and little conversion? a couple friends took it and loved it saw nice results and kept them after the cycle. plus they loved that it had little water weight

[BigSickD]

i love when people give me advice like add test to the cycle and shit like this and no i dont mind criticizim but rado since you know so much why arent you a giant i am as big as you natural brother. deacon and everyone else that posted thank you. what kind of test should i add. im trying to bulk with low water retention and thats why i added winnie. the other thing i deffinetly need advice on is what my pct treatments should be after this. i know hgc is highly preferred but i heard the mixing is a pain in the ass would clomid do what i need or is hgc nessecary. thank you

Easy on Rado, he means well. Anyways, this is how I would construct a cycle with PCT, if you still are set on running deca and winny.

Weeks 1-12 Enath or Cyp (single ester test) 400-500mg/wk
Weeks 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk Make sure that your test stays at a higher dose per week than your deca, to help avoid deca dick.
Weeks 8-12 Winny 50mg/ed

PCT Weeks 15-16 Clomid 100mg/ed Nolva 40mg/ed
Weeks 17-18 Clomid 50mg/ed Nolva 20mg/ed

As for HCG, I personally rarely use it. I am not saying you shouldn't but I have found that I do fine without it, especially on a mild cycle like this one. Have Nolva on hand always and if signs of gyno do appear run 40mg/ed til it subsides. Make sure that your trining and nutrition are in check cause those are the key, like a few good bro's mentioned before.

[rado]

rado since you know so much why arent you a giant i am as big as you natural brother.

When I read that you considered the winny/deca and no test cycle, is when I got annoyed. The reason being is because if you would of used the search function, more than likely you would of found your answers. It's ok not to know, this is why we're here.

But it's better IMO to do the searching 1st then asking.

Newbies never read the FAQ nor do they "Search" the database. The question you asked is a newbie question and most newbies never listen, making myself frustrated on wanting to help.

When I said; "Do you know what you're doing ? I don't think you do" to you, I meant it because of your post.


And size doesn't mean anything to me. Obviously if you're the same size as me, then that's great for you. I don't have those genetics.


bsd made out a good plan for you, try it and see. I would add the hcg though, very cheap and it wont hurt you to take it.

[bigkarch]

he needs information not aas right now...sorry bro....we can give you a cycle and all of us may give different advice, but I bet we all can agree that you need to tweek your diet and training, study aas then come back...no disrespect..

[BigSickD]

he needs information not aas right now...sorry bro....we can give you a cycle and all of us may give different advice, but I bet we all can agree that you need to tweek your diet and training, study aas then come back...no disrespect..

This is the best advice right here, even though I laid a cycle out for doesn't mean that you should do it without proper and thorough research. But on the other hand I would rather have you do it right if you are going to run one anyways and not research it first.

[ronb]

Easy on Rado, he means well. Anyways, this is how I would construct a cycle with PCT, if you still are set on running deca and winny.

Weeks 1-12 Enath or Cyp (single ester test) 400-500mg/wk
Weeks 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk Make sure that your test stays at a higher dose per week than you test, to help avoid deca dick.
Weeks 8-12 Winny 50mg/ed

PCT Weeks 15-16 Clomid 100mg/ed Nolva 40mg/ed
Weeks 17-18 Clomid 50mg/ed Nolva 20mg/ed

As for HCG, I personally rarely use it. I am not saying you shouldn't but I have found that I do fine without it, especially on a mild cycle like this one. Have Nolva on hand always and if signs of gyno do appear run 40mg/ed til it subsides. Make sure that your trining and nutrition are in check cause those are the key, like a few good bro's mentioned before.

this is a good example of a simple but effective cycle. as we all said look at the training and diet and do the best you can. as you get more experienced you can add things to minimize water retention. winnie should help that though.