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  • JohnnyB
    vet
    • Jul 2003
    • 2012

    Ester Profiles

    This is from Chemical Wizardry Complete

    ESTER PROFILES

    Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends. The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

    IN CONCLUSION

    While the advent of esters certainly constitutes an invaluable advance in the field of anabolic steroid medicine, clearly you can see that there is no magic involved here. Esters work in a well-understood and predictable manner, and do not alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way other than to delay its release. Although the lure surrounding various steroid products like testosterone cypionate, Sustanon, Omnadren etc. certainly makes for interesting conversation, realistically it just amounts to misinformation that the athlete would be better off ignoring. Testosterone is testosterone and anyone who is going to tell you one ester form of this (or any) hormone is much better than another one should do a little more research, and a lot less talking.

    Acetate: Chemical Structure C2H4O2.Also referred to as Acetic Acid; Ethylic acid; Vinegar acid; vinegar; Methanecarboxylic acid. Acetate esters delay the release of a steroid for only a couple of days.

    Contrary to what you may have read, acetate esters do not increase the tendency for fat removal. Again, there is no known mechanism for it to do so. This ester is used on oral primobolan tablets (metenolone acetate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) implant pellets, and occasionally testosterone.

    Propionate: Chemical Structure C3H6O2.Also referred to as Carboxyethane; hydroacrylic acid; Methylacetic acid; Ethylformic acid; Ethanecarboxylic acid; metacetonic acid; pseudoacetic acid; Propionic Acid. Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly. Testosterone propionate and methandriol dipropionate (two separate propionate esters attached to the parent steroid methandriol) are popular items.

    Phenylpropionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2.Also referred to as Propionic Acid Phenyl Ester. Phenylpropionate will extend the release of active steroid a few days longer than propionate. To keep blood levels even, injections are given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate), although it is also used with testosterone in Sustanon and Omnadren.

    Isocarpoate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.Also referred to as Isocaproic Acid; isohexanoate; 4-methylvaleric acid. Isocaproate begins to near enanthate in terms of release. The duration is still shorter, with a notable hormone level being sustained for approximately one week. This ester is used with testosterone in the blended products Sustanon and Omnadren.

    Caproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2.Also referred to as Hexanoic acid; hexanoate; n-Caproic Acid; n-Hexoic acid; butylacetic acid; pentiformic acid; pentylformic acid; n-hexylic acid; 1-pentanecarboxylic acid; hexoic acid; 1-hexanoic acid; Hexylic acid; Caproic acid. This ester is identical to isocarpoate in terms of atom count and weight, but is laid out slightly different (Isocaproate has a split configuration, difficult to explain here but easy to see on paper). Release duration would be very similar to isocaproate (levels sustained for approximately one weak), perhaps coming slightly closer to enanthate due to its straight chain. Caproate is the slowest releasing ester used in Omnadren, which is why most athletes notice more water retention with this compound.

    Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2.Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

    Cypionate: Chemical Structure C8H14O2. Also referred to as Cyclopentylpropionic acid, cyclopentylpropionate. Cypionate is a very popular ester here in the U.S., although it is scarcely found outside this region. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate (10-14 days), and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable in U.S. medicine. Althletes commonly hold the belief than cypionate is more powerful than enanthate, although realistically there is little difference between the two. The enanthate ester is in fact slightly smaller than cypionate, and it therefore releases a small (perhaps a few milligrams) amount of steroid more in comparison.

    Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2.Also referred to as decanoic acid; capric acid; caprinic acid; decylic acid, Nonanecarboxylic acid. The Decanoate ester is most commonly used with the hormone nandrolone (as in Deca-Durabolin) and is found in virtually all corners of the world. Testosterone decanoate is also the longest acting constituent in Sustanon, greatly extending its release duration. The release time with Decanoate compounds is listed to be as long as one month, although most recently we are finding that levels seem to drop significantly after two weeks. To keep blood levels more uniform, athletes (as they have always known to do) will follow a weekly injection schedule.

    Undecylenate: Chemical Structure C11H20O2.Also referred to as Undecylenic acid; Hendecenoic acid; Undecenoic acid. This ester is very similar to decanoate, containing only one carbon atom more. Its release duration is likewise very similar (approximately 2-3 weeks), perhaps extending a day or so past that seen with decanoate. Undecylenate seems to be exclusive to the veterinary preparation Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), although there is no reason it would not work well in human-use preparations (Equipoise certainly works fine for athletes). Again, weekly injections are most common.

    Undecanoate: Chemical Structure C11H22O2.Also referred to as Undecanoic Acid; 1-Decanecarboxylic acid; Hendecanoic acid; Undecylic acid. Undecanoate is not a commonly found ester, and only appears to be used in the nandrolone preparation Dynabolan, and oral testosterone undecanoate (Andriol). Since this ester is chemically very similar to undecylenate (it is only 2 hydrogen atoms larger), it has a similar release duration (approximately 2-3 weeks). Although this ester is used in the oral preparation Andriol, there is no reason to believe it carries any properties unique of other esters. Andriol in fact works very poorly at delivering testosterone, bolstering the idea that oral administration is not the idea use of esterified androgens.

    Laurate: Chemical structure C12H24O2. Also referred to as Dodecanoic acid, laurostearic acid, duodecyclic acid, 1-undecanecarboxylic acid, and dodecoic acid. Laurate is the longest releasing ester used in commercial steroid production, although longer acting esters do exist. Its release duration would be closer to one month than the other esters listed above, although realistically we are probably to expect a notable drop in hormone level after the third week. Laurate is exclusively found in the veterinary nandrolone preparation Laurabolin, perhaps seen as slightly advantageous over a decanoate ester due to a less frequent injection schedule. Again athletes will most commonly inject this drug weekly, no doubt in part due to its low strength (25mg/ml or 50mg/ml)

    JohnnyB
  • house1

    #2
    great post bro

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    • Easto

      #3
      Nice one Johnny!!!!

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      • JohnnyB
        vet
        • Jul 2003
        • 2012

        #4
        I was reading CWC and seen this so I decided to post it.

        JohnnyB

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        • liftsiron
          Administrator
          • Nov 2003
          • 18443

          #5
          Good post.
          ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle

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          • cowboytroy

            #6
            So is Cyclopentylpropionic acid the main ingredient in Cyp? I've got a guy that was going to make me some as long as I could come up with the acid. But now it seems ( if im reading this right) that its basically THE compound. If that is so then it would be as hard to obtain as real gear. Correct?
            Help me out guys. I'm not a rocket scientist.

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            • liftsiron
              Administrator
              • Nov 2003
              • 18443

              #7
              Originally posted by cowboytroy
              So is Cyclopentylpropionic acid the main ingredient in Cyp? I've got a guy that was going to make me some as long as I could come up with the acid. But now it seems ( if im reading this right) that its basically THE compound. If that is so then it would be as hard to obtain as real gear. Correct?
              Help me out guys. I'm not a rocket scientist.
              No, testosterone is the main ingredient in TEST cyp. Cyclopentylpropionic acid is the ester that the test is incorporated with to slow the IM absorption rate of the test.
              ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle

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              • cowboytroy

                #8
                Originally posted by liftsiron
                No, testosterone is the main ingredient in TEST cyp. Cyclopentylpropionic acid is the ester that the test is incorporated with to slow the IM absorption rate of the test.
                Ok that helps. Now are esters illegal or can a person purchase them like we do the other compounds on the board. I'm learning.
                Thanks

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                • liftsiron
                  Administrator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 18443

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cowboytroy
                  Ok that helps. Now are esters illegal or can a person purchase them like we do the other compounds on the board. I'm learning.
                  Thanks
                  I would imagine that you can purchase the carriers but why would you want to?
                  ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle

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                  • clutchitalian
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 1544

                    #10
                    Very nice post....If only the noobs would read this before they start pinning....

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                    • Shovel
                      VET
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 2772

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cowboytroy
                      Ok that helps. Now are esters illegal or can a person purchase them like we do the other compounds on the board. I'm learning.
                      Thanks
                      The ester is in the hormone powder, but the carrier oil can be purchased legally. As in grapeseed oil or safflower oil.
                      Semper Fi

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                      • cowboytroy

                        #12
                        Originally posted by liftsiron
                        I would imagine that you can purchase the carriers but why would you want to?
                        I'm not sure all I know is my guy said if I can locate the cyclo acid he can make me all the cyp i want. He needs the acid to mix with the synovex to create the cyp. Like I said I'm not the chemist and really don't want to learn to be one. This guy is and starting medical school next year. For some reason he doesn't want to order the acid cause he don't want to take any chances of getting into trouble before he goes to medical school. So I said fine! I'll see if i can locate some. Now I probably sound piss ignorant about this so sorry. I've never home brewed. Just bought for the last 20 years. All this underground stuff just makes me alittle nervous. You never really know if your getting screwed or not. This dude is a buddy and I'm sure he'll make the mg's good.

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                        • cowboytroy

                          #13
                          With that said where can I get just the acid??

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                          • Milo89
                            Registered User
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 4

                            #14
                            Newbie here, what should I start off with? And where do I get it? I don't wanna risk buying some fake bullshit.

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                            • John Benz
                              Vet
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 3208

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Milo89
                              Newbie here, what should I start off with? And where do I get it? I don't wanna risk buying some fake bullshit.

                              Number (11) new rule please read
                              Originally posted by liftsiron
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