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Getting the Message? Police Track Phones with Silent SMS
Getting the Message? Police Track Phones with Silent SMS
In Europe security services have been sending thousands of Silent SMS messages, allowing them to locate and track phones without the recipient's knowledge. A legal vacuum exists around the technique. by Fabien Soyez On January 27, 2012 In June 2011, Colette Giudicelli, a senator representing the Maritime Alps region of France, wrote to Claude Gueant, the French Interior Minister: Quote:
Also known as Flash-SMS, the Silent SMS uses an invisible return signal, or “ping”. Developers from the Silent Services company, who created some of the first software for sending this type of SMS, explain: Quote:
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Mathias Monroy, a journalist with Heise Online, argues this surveillance technology is flourishing largely as a result of a legal vacuum: Quote:
After each SMS was sent, investigators went to the four German mobile operators – Vodafone, E-Plus, O2 and T-Mobile – in order to access the recipient’s information. To aggregate this raw data provided by operators, the police use Koyote and rsCase, software supplied by Rola Security Solutions, a company that develops “software solutions for the police”. Smile, you’re being tracked Silent SMS allow the user to precisely locate a mobile phone by using the GSM network, as Karsten Nohl explains: Quote:
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In France, police and intelligence services work with Deveryware, a “geolocation operator”. Deveryware also market a “geolocation employee punchcard”, the Geohub, to businesses. Deveryware combine cellular localization, GPS, and other “real-time location” techniques. Questioned by OWNI whether Silent SMS were one of these techniques, the company’s response was evasive: Quote:
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Follow @FabienSoyez on Twitter Read more about Surveillance on Owni.eu Source: http://owni.eu/2012/01/27/silent-sms...ce-deveryware/ |
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01-30-2012, 10:44 AM | #2 |
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No question a cell phone tied to you is the first thing that gets pitched...
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01-31-2012, 09:39 PM | #3 |
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In America they use your smart phones as listening devices, also the Tv's you hook up to the internet they can listen through that too. So much for privacy anymore.....
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01-31-2012, 11:18 PM | #4 |
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Great post MS!
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lots of info here
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To the best of my knowledge, and I'll freely admit I could be dead wrong on this, TVs have no microphone on them which could be turned on remotely. It might be possible to monitor what you watch, or where you surf, if you use the TV to connect to sites on the Net, but that is the extent of it as far as I am aware. If you can supply any links providing more information, I would very much appreciate it. Mirrorshades |
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Great info ... I'm not in France or Germany but ... close.
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As far as using the phone as a listening device, this is something that LOCAL law enforcement absolutely is NOT capable of, atleast here in America. The day it comes out that a bust was made by listening in on a mobile phone secretly, would create a massive fallout amongst citizens that would be costly to our government. Unless your a terror figure or running a multi-million dollar drug industry, the funding and clearance required for that sort of surveillance will never pertain to you. The FBI is still bugging homes and tapping land lines, the day these things stop is when I'll be convinced they have something new. One thing that gives me piece of mind is having a smart phone, especially Apple. With the thousands of independent coders/programmers that disect these phones and ALL of their functions, nothing has been uncovered that would pertain to third party activating the microphone. A few of the DevGru guys already buried the claim of that when it comes to the iPhone. |
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even your computer can be used to listen , so , never leave your net connection on , remove cable from phone conection , take out your phone battery , and you can start talking .
the more technologie improved , the less privacy we have . i hate wifi , free box ..... smart phone ( i used an old phone ) .... |
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You might as well enjoy your smart phone and upgrade technology, unless your BIG time in something corrupt or illegal, nobody is listening in on you. Surveillance costs money, money that no law enforcement wants to spend unless they MUST. |
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and i meant this for someone doing something that has to stay low key . there is too anti keylogger to use too , many other things .... |
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I'd then rather use one of those prepaid phones, but now many carriers ask for personal information to even activate the phone and the information you give will be checked
I am not sure but using something like Silent SMS might require a warrant to even use it in the USA
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In the end, if they truly want you, they'll find you. Anything electronic origin is going to lead to you or someone you involved.
A pre-paid for example; The IMEI and Serials related to the phone, are ALL documented by the factory. You buy it at any retailer. They know what batch of phones is sent to what stores. You buy an AT&T go-phone from 7/11 or Walmart, ie anywhere. The phone number is assigned by the factory, is tied to all the phones serials/imei. That phone's product # for the retailer receives an inventory id and sku. Just from knowing your phone number, LE contacts the provider, they contact their warehousing/inventory department, now they will know the phone's distribution history and to what retailer it went to. Now they contact the store, from the sku and store's inventory ID, they can narrow it down to time and date the sku was entered for sale, and then look onto store surveillance at every entry to the store in that time-frame. The same goes with shipping companies. Your package is intercepted for whatever reason, by law enforcement. The bar code for the shipping information relates back to the origin, store, time of sale. USPS, UPS, FedEx and most shipping stores all have video systems. Now whoever shipped the item's smiling face is right there on camera at the time of sale that the label is printed for. It's scary, but the more advances in technology and more we rely on it, the more EVERY action has a trail. Safest way to buy a pre-paid? Buy someone elses pay-as-you-go phone. You never purchased it, you were never in the store, you never might've slipped up during registration, the original customer knows zero about you. Don't receive packages to your home, never use real information, even if it means you can't retrieve a non-picked up WU. If you can't afford to lose the money you send out in a western union, you shouldn't be spending $ on supplements in the first place. It's easy to stay safe even with big brother cracking down, it's the little slip ups and showing off that blows it for people. |
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