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  • Ching
    Vet
    • Oct 2005
    • 718

    Dostinex can damage Heart valves

    Parkinson's Drugs Can Damage Heart Valves
    01.03.07, 12:00 AM ET

    WEDNESDAY, Jan. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Two drugs commonly used to treat Parkinson's disease can cause harm to heart valves, according to two studies in the Jan. 4 New England Journal of Medicine.

    The drugs, pergolide and cabergoline, are both from a class of medications called "ergot-derived dopamine receptor agonists." Ergot is a fungus, and ergot-derived drugs are used not only in the treatment of Parkinson's but also for restless leg syndrome and migraine headaches.

    Ergot-derived dopamine receptor agonists were also in the now banned diet drug Fen-phen -- also associated with heart valve disease.

    "We uncovered the biomedical reason why Fen-phen had particular side effects on the heart," said Dr. Bryan L. Roth, of the Department of Pharmacology at the University of North Carolina and author of an accompanying journal editorial.

    "We evaluated other medications and predicted that they would have the same side effect on the heart," he said. "Our predictions were verified in these two studies."

    Based on the new findings, Roth wants the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to look at all drugs that have this side effect with an eye to banning pergolide (brand named Permax) and cabergoline (Dostinex). "This side effect is very dangerous," he said. "It could result in an individual's death or undergoing valve replacement surgery," he added.

    These types of drugs interact with a receptor in the heart valve, causing the valve to overgrow and become floppy and leaky, Roth explained.

    In the first report, Dr. Edeltraut Garbe, from the Institute of Clinical Pharmacology, Charite, University Medicine, Berlin, and colleagues collected data on more than 11,000 people 40 to 80 years of age who were taking anti-Parkinson's drugs between 1988 and 2005.

    The researchers found that, among 31 patients with newly diagnosed cardiac valve problems, six were taking pergolide, six were taking cabergoline, and 19 had not taken any dopamine agonist in the past year.

    Almost 30 percent of the patients taking pergolide or cabergoline were at increased risk for heart valve problems.

    "In this study, use of the dopamine agonists pergolide and cabergoline was associated with an increased risk of newly diagnosed cardiac-valve regurgitation," the authors concluded.

    In the second study, a team of Italian researchers led by Dr. Renzo Zanettini, from the Istituti Clinici di Perfezionamento, Milan, studied 155 patients taking dopamine agonists for Parkinson's disease. Among these patients, 64 were taking pergolide, 49 were taking cabergoline, and 42 were taking non-ergot-derived dopamine agonists. In addition, there were 90 controls.

    Zanettini's group found that about 23 percent of the patients taking pergolide had heart valve problems, as did about 29 percent of the patients taking cabergoline.

    In contrast, none of the patients taking non-ergot-derived dopamine agonists had a heart problem, while 5.6 percent of the control patients did.

    In addition, patients who took higher doses of pergolide or cabergoline had more advanced heart valve disease, the researchers reported.

    "The frequency of clinically important valve regurgitation was significantly increased in patients taking pergolide or cabergoline, but not in patients taking non-ergot-derived dopamine agonists, as compared with control subjects," the researchers wrote. "These findings should be considered in evaluating the risk-benefit ratio of treatment with ergot derivatives," they concluded.

    "If you have Parkinson's, you need to find out from your doctor if you're taking a medication that could cause this risk of serious heart damage," Roth said. "I would recommend not prescribing these medications at all. Our hope is that these two studies will encourage the FDA to remove these drugs from use."
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  • liftsiron
    Administrator
    • Nov 2003
    • 18443

    #2
    Very good info bro, thanks for posting.
    ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle

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    • Ms.Wetback

      #3
      Thats a bit scary. My husband uses it and he had open heart surgery years ago.

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      • liftsiron
        Administrator
        • Nov 2003
        • 18443

        #4
        Originally posted by Ms.Wetback
        Thats a bit scary. My husband uses it and he had open heart surgery years ago.

        I never used it I never the sides from deca or tren that made it necessary, B6 seems to do the trick for me.
        I would suspect that in your husband's case he probably has very little to worry about because Parkinson's patients take the drug year in year out and probably at higher dose. Also Parkinson's disease in itself may have adverse effect to the heart?????
        ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle

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        • Deacon
          Vet
          • Jan 2005
          • 3686

          #5
          interesting article
          Originally Posted by Doink the clown;
          "Every gym has the tard who never gets bigger,never shuts up,and never goes away!"


          "If you say you are not afraid to die either your lying or your a Ghurka,"

          "Amatures built the Ark - professionals built the Titanic."

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          • powerlifter
            VET
            • May 2004
            • 170

            #6
            Originally posted by liftsiron
            I never used it I never the sides from deca or tren that made it necessary, B6 seems to do the trick for me.
            I would suspect that in your husband's case he probably has very little to worry about because Parkinson's patients take the drug year in year out and probably at higher dose. Also Parkinson's disease in itself may have adverse effect to the heart?????
            I agree Lifts - nothing to worry about Ms. WB - the dosages and length of use varys widely
            Anything I say is for educational purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose or treat. Please consult with your medical practitioner, as they will be able to see and more accurately gauge the depth of the problem...my advice shall be meant as suggestions only, as advice and opinions can vary widely amongst professionals.

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            • Ms.Wetback

              #7
              He only uses .5mg E3D's

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              • liftsiron
                Administrator
                • Nov 2003
                • 18443

                #8
                Very good info^^^^^
                ADMIN/OWNER@Peak-Muscle

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                • Jizzacked

                  #9
                  its nice how they take an OTC product they know can fuck you up, ban it, and then decide fuck it, if you want to gamble taking the shit, we might as well profit from your shit so lets make it available by prescription.

                  fucking big pharm... always greedy motherfuckers more concerned about money than people's genuine well being. hope they sleep well at night with that shit on their brain.

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                  • Thate
                    Vet
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 3425

                    #10
                    Originally posted by liftsiron
                    I never used it I never the sides from deca or tren that made it necessary, B6 seems to do the trick for me.
                    I would suspect that in your husband's case he probably has very little to worry about because Parkinson's patients take the drug year in year out and probably at higher dose. Also Parkinson's disease in itself may have adverse effect to the heart?????
                    I think lots of people used it for its sexual benefits

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                    • Raw Lifter

                      #11
                      The studies I see concerning mitral valve issues and cabergoline the patients were using cabergoline @ 3mg or more e/d for 6 or more months. Most people being treated for hyperprolactinemia use a maximum of 1m e/d and we (bodybuilders) typically use cabergoline @ 5mg e2d-e4d so im not sure just how much of an issue this is for occasional users at the .5mg e2d-e4d regimen 3-4 weeks at a time.

                      Though I decided awhile back not to experiment with it again.

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                      • the shocker

                        #12
                        So i have never really heard of this but my buddy just gave it to me cause my b6 wanst working good enough, and this is reassurring hahah

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                        • Ms.Wetback

                          #13
                          Shocker I wouldn't sweat it. At .5mg E4D it is not even close to what the people were taking that had issues. And it was 6 months.

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                          • DragonRider

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Raw Lifter
                            The studies I see concerning mitral valve issues and cabergoline the patients were using cabergoline @ 3mg or more e/d for 6 or more months. Most people being treated for hyperprolactinemia use a maximum of 1m e/d and we (bodybuilders) typically use cabergoline @ 5mg e2d-e4d so im not sure just how much of an issue this is for occasional users at the .5mg e2d-e4d regimen 3-4 weeks at a time.
                            Exactly. I sometimes wonder if there is a bigger group of alarmist hypochondriacs than bodybuilders.



                            I know someone who is conducting an experiment with dbol at 45mg a day for a year to prove how safe it is.

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                            • the shocker

                              #15
                              I took some for like 3 weeks at the end of taking my tren and it actually ate away my progesterone alot

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