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Old 10-29-2019, 12:44 PM   #1
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Anavar Solo

It was brought up in another thread here that we should create a thread specifically to discuss running anavar as a standalone without a test base. For the person looking to go this route, obviously the goal is not to have as pronounced results as running 500+mg of test and other harsher compounds. Perhaps the person just looking for some strength gain, a little bit of size, improvement in physique and muscle appearance and not looking to go full blown cycle. Maybe even a var only cycle ran alongside something like ostarine?

Topics of discussion on this that I am curious about would be suppression, recovery, and effect on mood and well being. The arguement I have come across in the past is that var will shut you down so not running any sort of test injection alongside it would be a negative impact on the body, results, and recovery. Ultimately, if the body shuts down it's own production and you are not adding in any synthetic test, you will have limited test levels during cycle thus being harmful and ruining chances of a successful recovery after cycle.

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Old 10-29-2019, 02:04 PM   #2
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Here is an interesting article written by an MD several years ago.

var: Greatest Drug Ever?


By Todd Lee M.D.




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Let’s Play Make Believe


Like a Knight in Shining armor Anavar is a woman’s best friend!
Let’s pretend there was a magical potion that could stop the wasting effects of Aids. It could heal burn victims in half the time. It could cut surgical recovery time in half. A magical elixir so safe on the liver it is used to TREAT liver problems. It permanently burns fat, permanently builds muscle, and makes you look better. Now what if we weren’t playing make believe, A magical panacea such as this did exist, and its name was Anavar.

Unfortunately the frightened peasants attacked poor Anavar for the alleged crimes of its brethren. With torches and pitchforks the frightened peasants emboldened by the immaculate opinions of news casters and ignorant soccer moms stormed the king’s palace and demanded blood. And poor Anavar was destroyed….

Now is a bright new era, for the hypocrites need Anavar’s help! So our knight in shining armor has been resurrected. It’s new incarnation is known as Oxandrin.

What The Hell am I Talking About?

Anavar was a miracle drug used for so many healing purposes. Most western medicine is just an expensive bandaid, not fixing anything, just masking symptoms for an enormous price. But Anavar could actually heal injuries, burns, regrow lost muscle to Aids victims. But you see, Anavar is a steroid. And not just any steroid, but an oral steroid.

Oral steroids are know for being extra bad. The are supposed to be really bad for your liver and supposed to shut down natural testosterone production. But not Anavar. Anavar is so safe on the liver at reasonable doses that the FDA actually approved it for TREATING Liver disease. Think about it for a minute. If the worst thing a steroid can supposedly do is mess up your liver and even the super anal and cowardly FDA approved it for ON LABEL treatment of alcoholic hepatitis, the most common liver problem…..how bad could it be?

Instead of crushing natural testosterone production it actually mildly suppress it, but get this: after you stop, LH and natural testosterone levels rise higher than before!

I bet you think Anavar is to good to be true right? It’s only the third inning, grab a beer and enjoy the show. Anavar can cut burn healing time in half in patients with 40% or more of their body burned. Having surgery? With Anavar you can heal twice as quickly. Want to lose fat? Anavar burns fat directly and indirectly, and the fat stays off for months even without diet or exercise. This includes the life threatening visceral fat. Anavar builds muscle directly and the muscle gains were permanent in tested subjects.

Here Is The Problem

So the people who know a good drug when they see one are bodybuilders. They capitalized on the other benefits of Anavar. Aside from building muscle, cutting recovery time in half, and burning fat it has other more specific strengths. It increases strength and it doesn’t aromatase, so it dosn’t turn to into estrogen. This means your skin shrink wraps around your muscles if your super lean due to not having water in your skin from estrogen bloat. That, and the fact that it is the safest steroid ever made, is why Anavar is popular with women as well. A super low dose (5 mg, 1/10th a male dose) will help women, but won’t turn them into guys like most other steroids. Over 20 mg will. It also inhibits cortisol, aromatase, SHBG, and other pro fat, anti muscle hormones. It really is as close to perfect as it gets.

The Tragic Death of Anavar

In the ‘80s there was the steroids in baseball nonsense. And as usual the people with the least education make the decisions. The country at large acted like steroids were Satan’s personal creation and damned them and any who used them to maximum security prison. Searle, feared an angry mob of frightened peasants would storm their corporate office for daring to make a ‘Steroid’. Despite it being one of the best medicines ever created, Searle stopped production out of this fear.

A New Hope

Now that those same frightened peasants are aging and need erections TRT (steroids) is all the rage. Who cares about hypocrisy right? Oxandrin is Anavar with a new name by a different company. Just like a parent telling a 5 year old that their dog that was run over “Is in doggy heaven now” doctors tell their patients who they prescribe testosterone and Anavar they are on ‘TRT and Oxandrin’.

To me, this is a fantastic drug. I’m glad its back in production.

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Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1995 Sep;19(9):614-24

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Segal S, Cooper J, Bolognia J., Treatment of lipodermatosclerosis with oxandrolone in a patient with Stanazole-induced hepatotoxicity., J Am Acad Dermatol 2000 Sep;43(3):558-9

Demling RH., Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid enhances the healing of a cutaneous wound in the rat., Wound Repair Regen 2000 Mar-Apr;8(2):97-102

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):4863-72.

Demling RH, Orgill DP., The anticatabolic and wound healing effects of the testosterone analog oxandrolone after severe burn injury., J Crit Care 2000 Mar;15(1):12-7

Hart DW, Wolf SE, Ramzy PI, Chinkes DL, Beauford RB, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR, Herndon DN., Anabolic effects of oxandrolone after severe burn., Ann Surg 2001 Apr;233(4):556-64

Demling RH, DeSanti L., The rate of restoration of body weight after burn injury, using the anabolic agent oxandrolone, is not age dependent., Burns 2001 Feb;27(1):46-51

Demling RH, DeSanti L., Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, significantly increases the rate of weight gain in the recovery phase after major burns., J Trauma 1997 Jul;43(1):47-51

Papadimitriou A, Preece MA, Rolland-Cachera MF, Stanhope R., The anabolic steroid oxandrolone increases muscle mass in prepubertal boys with constitutional delay of growth., J Pediatr Endocrinol Metab 2001 Jun;14(6):725-7

Doeker B, Muller-Michaels J, Andler W, Induction of early puberty in a boy after treatment with oxandrolone? Horm Res 1998;50(1):46-8

J Appl Physiol 96: 1055-1062, 2004. First published October 24, 2003; doi:10.1152/japplphysiol.00808.2003 8750-7587/04

James JS., Wasting syndrome: oral oxandrolone re-released in U.S., AIDS Treat News 1995 Dec 22;(no 237):3-4

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Mt Sinai J Med. 1999 May;66(3):201-5.

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The post I made in the other thread:

I would imagine var will certainly create some negative feedback on the HTPA. I think the difference is that it’s not “dramatic”. I remember back in the day I ran all kinds of prohirmones and designer orals that were way more harsh than var and I didn’t have any issues. Remember oxandrolone was developed for women and children. I’m gonna be with my buddy tomorrow and get an update on his experiment. He’s only running 12mg ED lol. The var is very mild on the andrigenic side so I hypothesized that some of the issues you mentioned would be lessened. Thus far, he says his mood is slightly elevated and he’s horny as phuck (46 yo normal libido as baseline). I’m gonna give him some clomid for a PCT. he looks great. He’s gained 10 lbs in two weeks and looks leaner and his muscles are full.
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So like if my son came to me and said hey dad I want to experiementbwith skmenAAS but I’m not necessarily committed long term and I’m not interested in packing on thirty pounds of meat and I don’t really want to take risks, I’d say son welcome to the world of oxandrolone . A cycle of up to 20mg ED is all those things listed above.

A lot of seasoned AAS users on boards in general would automatically throw the flag at an oral only cycle. But some of those same people would say OK to use anSARM or a pro hormone, both of which are oral only cycles. But the difference with oxandrolone is it’s something you can get from the rx with a script, meaning it’s documented, and it’s very mild yet highly anabolic. Bloodwork even usually looks pretty good afterwards, a hell of a lot better than SARMS.

I’d like to hear from the nay sayers also on why they think his shouldn’t be wise.
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I would imagine var will certainly create some negative feedback on the HTPA. I think the difference is that it’s not “dramatic”. I remember back in the day I ran all kinds of prohirmones and designer orals that were way more harsh than var and I didn’t have any issues. Remember oxandrolone was developed for women and children. I’m gonna be with my buddy tomorrow and get an update on his experiment. He’s only running 12mg ED lol. The var is very mild on the andrigenic side so I hypothesized that some of the issues you mentioned would be lessened. Thus far, he says his mood is slightly elevated and he’s horny as phuck (46 yo normal libido as baseline). I’m gonna give him some clomid for a PCT. he looks great. He’s gained 10 lbs in two weeks and looks leaner and his muscles are full.
Ten lbs in 2 weeks with all other variables being equal? As in, he didn't suddenly just start eating a shit ton more in those 2 weeks, or rebounding from an injury or being depleted, etc? If not, I'd doubt it's var. One would be hard pressed to put 10 lbs on in 2 weeks on even 12mg of dbol or drol ed.
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I took 10 mg/d for 10 days and it cut my total testosterone from 550 to 250 ng/dL.
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I took 10 mg/d for 10 days and it cut my total testosterone from 550 to 250 ng/dL.
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I think everything Darkness is saying about dosing is spot on. Back in the old days for me, guys would say you don't waste your virgin receptors! So it was common for guys to do multigram doses for their first run through. I think there is always something to be said about trying to preserve ones natural functioning as much as possible while trying to enhance it. Generally that means lower doses and less 'harsh' medications.
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That’s great information! I would have guess the suppression to be less than that but there it is.
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Ten lbs in 2 weeks with all other variables being equal? As in, he didn't suddenly just start eating a shit ton more in those 2 weeks, or rebounding from an injury or being depleted, etc? If not, I'd doubt it's var. One would be hard pressed to put 10 lbs on in 2 weeks on even 12mg of dbol or drol ed.
Did he eat more and better and lift harder? Well I suppose anyone who starts a cycle would do that. Glycogen in muscle is a big heavy thing.
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