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Old 09-22-2012, 09:00 AM   #1
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mild cycle for girlfriend

I want to put my girlfriend on a mild cycle,probably anavar or tbol. Would some of the ladies here recommenda cycle/routine for her. She is 37 and eats well but has a hard time to.ing up and losing the "pooch". She is about 5'5" 150, never used sad.
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I dont know where your girl is at, so I wonder exactly what you mean? Steriods are not gonna burn body fat with any significance. They make muscle tissues grow. Steriods are not gonna make her tone up and "loose the pooch". Roids make people bigger not smaller. In fact, var will make her retain water and she will ring your goddamn neck for making her fatter.

Diet and training adjustments are what will help reduce body fat. THis may be the answer. Other compounds can accelerate fat loss, but only when you are already in a caloric deficit and already loosing fat (they will make it happen faster).

What kind of training does she do? What's her macros? At 5-5 150 she has some mass of some kind. I am afraid if you just shovel her 5 or 10 mgs of var ED she will be 5-5 165 and round as hell. And strong enough to kick your ass for doing it to her. I have seen this over and over and over.
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I dont know where your girl is at, so I wonder exactly what you mean? Steriods are not gonna burn body fat with any significance. They make muscle tissues grow. Steriods are not gonna make her tone up and "loose the pooch". Roids make people bigger not smaller. In fact, var will make her retain water and she will ring your goddamn neck for making her fatter.

Diet and training adjustments are what will help reduce body fat. THis may be the answer. Other compounds can accelerate fat loss, but only when you are already in a caloric deficit and already loosing fat (they will make it happen faster).

What kind of training does she do? What's her macros? At 5-5 150 she has some mass of some kind. I am afraid if you just shovel her 5 or 10 mgs of var ED she will be 5-5 165 and round as hell. And strong enough to kick your ass for doing it to her. I have seen this over and over and over.
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Women tend to he carbaholics. What do her macros and total cals a day look like?
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cardio and diet are the key jrod--anavar/tbol is not an answer here
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Really no such thing as a "mild" cycle. AAS alter hormone levels. This goes into a realm that the person herself needs to understand - not "you" put her on some cycle. SHE needs to know what is involved. Very much do not recommend using steroids to achieve her goal. As stated above:

1) Steroids are not fat burners - chances are very high she will experience water retention on var or tbol and other stuff she wasn't expecting. Also if she isn't already lean and already on a good diet & training program that is producing a "lean" result, going on a steroid cycle will have her increasing lean muscle mass - sure - but if she's not already lean, that additional muscle mass can actually start to look "thicK" - again probably not what she was going for.

2) YOu can't spot reduce.

3) She "eats good" - whatever is her current diet & training is what is producing the look she has - so "eats good" is apparently not getting her where she wants to be. Need to optimize that.

Recommendation:

1) AVOID STEROIDS!!!! THis is not someone who needs to be self-medicating w/ controlled substances. She won't get the results you're looking for.

2) Post up the diet as:

Meal 1; 8 am
1/2 c oats
2 whole eggs + 1 egg white

Meal 2: 11 am
4 oz chicken
2 c brown rice

etc.

And then have her put it into a food counts program like www.fitday.com and post up the total cals & macronutrient breakdown: % and total grams of protein, fat & carbs. If she doesn't follow a consistent diet, pick a decent representation of a typical day's intake.

Get a baseline quantification of whatever "eats good" means. And then we can look at some minor tweaks to get her going in the right direction without drugs. Small changes in diet produce results that are maintainable, while drugs complicate everything and if you don't change your diet & training to support the results, all you do is rebound back to a worse place.

Also generally speaking for guys giving recommendations for women or trying to take their own experience and apply it to women - just doesn't work that way.
1) Men have testosterone as their primary hormone. It doesn't work the same for women.
2) Women are estrogen dominant - introduces other issues that doesnt' translate if you try to apply male-oriented dosing and cycleing recommendations. Simple example - men use AIs to suppress converted estrogen if running a compound that aromatizes - to reduce change of bitch tits and water retention. Try that for women and you can introduce full estrogen shutdown, and in the extreme, introduce early menopause. This has a whole other set of issues. Don't fuck w/ your hormones if you don't know what you're doing.
3) Most guys on muscle boards are already gymrats and have many years of consistently training and some sort of dieting. Most women do not. SO you can't pull out the more advanced tools of the trade and apply them to people who are missing 90% of the scenario - again - it won't translate the same way and will produce much worse results than you're starting out with.
4) If your foundation, meaning diet, training & recovery, are not already in place, consistent and producing results, you have zero business looking around at other things to dot he quicky fixes for you. Even if you can force a result for a while, if your existing diet & trainign aren't already producing the results you want, your body will eventuallytell you to go fuck yourself and rebound in any of a variety of ways from full weight rebound to metabolic shutdown.

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OK, I understand the part about var not being a diet pill, I guess I was not really approaching it the right way.
How about clen. I know it can be a good thermogenic and help lose fat, which is the ultimate goal. She wants to cut way back on the calories and I guess that is where I wanted to ask about var. If she diets and does cardio she is probably going to lose some muscle as well. I thought the var would be good for her to take at low dose to keep her from losing muscle while dieting/excercising.
I appreciate all your input.

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OK, I understand the part about var not being a diet pill, I guess I was not really approaching it the right way.
How about clen. I know it can be a good thermogenic and help lose fat, which is the ultimate goal. She wants to cut way back on the calories and I guess that is where I wanted to ask about var. If she diets and does cardio she is probably going to lose some muscle as well. I thought the var would be good for her to take at low dose to keep her from losing muscle while dieting/excercising.
I appreciate all your input.

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While my opinions are flowing freely tonight ......

I see where you are coming from, but I dont know that I look at this the same for a man vs a woman. I mean ... I guess that anytime someone is looking at AAS as a first cycle and it is a cut, they are looking in the wrong class of drugs.

Now clen...that's a different class of drugs. Make sure everyone knows what they are doing before she ingests that stuff. It wont work unless she is already training and dieting in a way that she is loosing some weight without the clen. If she is, then the clen will accelerate it. It also has some properties that reduce muscle loss. Most women and men however, and especially women, who dont know their bodies well enough to make changes to its composition are not gonna overshoot the mark to the point that they get muscle wasting. Most diet and train with no resuts for a while until they realize that both are ineffective. If they do not change them and add clen, then they are the same weight and might jittery and sleepless. If they add var they are bulkier and puffy.

Sounds like you guys might want to be looking into class of drugs #2. Just my 2 cents.
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Really no such thing as a "mild" cycle. AAS alter hormone levels. This goes into a realm that the person herself needs to understand - not "you" put her on some cycle. SHE needs to know what is involved. Very much do not recommend using steroids to achieve her goal. As stated above:

1) Steroids are not fat burners - chances are very high she will experience water retention on var or tbol and other stuff she wasn't expecting. Also if she isn't already lean and already on a good diet & training program that is producing a "lean" result, going on a steroid cycle will have her increasing lean muscle mass - sure - but if she's not already lean, that additional muscle mass can actually start to look "thicK" - again probably not what she was going for.

2) YOu can't spot reduce.

3) She "eats good" - whatever is her current diet & training is what is producing the look she has - so "eats good" is apparently not getting her where she wants to be. Need to optimize that.

Recommendation:

1) AVOID STEROIDS!!!! THis is not someone who needs to be self-medicating w/ controlled substances. She won't get the results you're looking for.

2) Post up the diet as:

Meal 1; 8 am
1/2 c oats
2 whole eggs + 1 egg white

Meal 2: 11 am
4 oz chicken
2 c brown rice

etc.

And then have her put it into a food counts program like www.fitday.com and post up the total cals & macronutrient breakdown: % and total grams of protein, fat & carbs. If she doesn't follow a consistent diet, pick a decent representation of a typical day's intake.

Get a baseline quantification of whatever "eats good" means. And then we can look at some minor tweaks to get her going in the right direction without drugs. Small changes in diet produce results that are maintainable, while drugs complicate everything and if you don't change your diet & training to support the results, all you do is rebound back to a worse place.

Also generally speaking for guys giving recommendations for women or trying to take their own experience and apply it to women - just doesn't work that way.
1) Men have testosterone as their primary hormone. It doesn't work the same for women.
2) Women are estrogen dominant - introduces other issues that doesnt' translate if you try to apply male-oriented dosing and cycleing recommendations. Simple example - men use AIs to suppress converted estrogen if running a compound that aromatizes - to reduce change of bitch tits and water retention. Try that for women and you can introduce full estrogen shutdown, and in the extreme, introduce early menopause. This has a whole other set of issues. Don't fuck w/ your hormones if you don't know what you're doing.
3) Most guys on muscle boards are already gymrats and have many years of consistently training and some sort of dieting. Most women do not. SO you can't pull out the more advanced tools of the trade and apply them to people who are missing 90% of the scenario - again - it won't translate the same way and will produce much worse results than you're starting out with.
4) If your foundation, meaning diet, training & recovery, are not already in place, consistent and producing results, you have zero business looking around at other things to dot he quicky fixes for you. Even if you can force a result for a while, if your existing diet & trainign aren't already producing the results you want, your body will eventuallytell you to go fuck yourself and rebound in any of a variety of ways from full weight rebound to metabolic shutdown.

Master the foundation first before you even consider going to look at the dark side.
Great advice, thanks sassy
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AAS, are NOT a short cut, and should only truly be used by women who have reached there full potential from training and proper diet regime. Even then Diet is the key to progress, and progression, without a sound diet results even on AAS will be minimal.

You haven't really given or stated where she is in her progress, how long she's been training, or any details of her current diet, so on.....

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Really no such thing as a "mild" cycle. AAS alter hormone levels. This goes into a realm that the person herself needs to understand - not "you" put her on some cycle. SHE needs to know what is involved. Very much do not recommend using steroids to achieve her goal. As stated above:

1) Steroids are not fat burners - chances are very high she will experience water retention on var or tbol and other stuff she wasn't expecting. Also if she isn't already lean and already on a good diet & training program that is producing a "lean" result, going on a steroid cycle will have her increasing lean muscle mass - sure - but if she's not already lean, that additional muscle mass can actually start to look "thicK" - again probably not what she was going for.

2) YOu can't spot reduce.

3) She "eats good" - whatever is her current diet & training is what is producing the look she has - so "eats good" is apparently not getting her where she wants to be. Need to optimize that.

Recommendation:

1) AVOID STEROIDS!!!! THis is not someone who needs to be self-medicating w/ controlled substances. She won't get the results you're looking for.

2) Post up the diet as:

Meal 1; 8 am
1/2 c oats
2 whole eggs + 1 egg white

Meal 2: 11 am
4 oz chicken
2 c brown rice

etc.

And then have her put it into a food counts program like www.fitday.com and post up the total cals & macronutrient breakdown: % and total grams of protein, fat & carbs. If she doesn't follow a consistent diet, pick a decent representation of a typical day's intake.

Get a baseline quantification of whatever "eats good" means. And then we can look at some minor tweaks to get her going in the right direction without drugs. Small changes in diet produce results that are maintainable, while drugs complicate everything and if you don't change your diet & training to support the results, all you do is rebound back to a worse place.

Also generally speaking for guys giving recommendations for women or trying to take their own experience and apply it to women - just doesn't work that way.
1) Men have testosterone as their primary hormone. It doesn't work the same for women.
2) Women are estrogen dominant - introduces other issues that doesnt' translate if you try to apply male-oriented dosing and cycleing recommendations. Simple example - men use AIs to suppress converted estrogen if running a compound that aromatizes - to reduce change of bitch tits and water retention. Try that for women and you can introduce full estrogen shutdown, and in the extreme, introduce early menopause. This has a whole other set of issues. Don't fuck w/ your hormones if you don't know what you're doing.
3) Most guys on muscle boards are already gymrats and have many years of consistently training and some sort of dieting. Most women do not. SO you can't pull out the more advanced tools of the trade and apply them to people who are missing 90% of the scenario - again - it won't translate the same way and will produce much worse results than you're starting out with.
4) If your foundation, meaning diet, training & recovery, are not already in place, consistent and producing results, you have zero business looking around at other things to dot he quicky fixes for you. Even if you can force a result for a while, if your existing diet & trainign aren't already producing the results you want, your body will eventuallytell you to go fuck yourself and rebound in any of a variety of ways from full weight rebound to metabolic shutdown.

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Great post, honestly.
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She and I have been in the gym working out regularly. She is about 5'5" 150, not fat but a little overweight and she is having a hard time getting rid of the pooch from having a kid 11 years ago. She is on a relatively clean diet, shake for breakfast, a good lunch, shake mid afternoon and a good dinner. She does cardio at the gym but I don't think she is doing enough cardio. She does very little weight training.
She really wants to try either clen or albut, maybe T3. Any good advice with a clen/albut/T3 cycle will be great. She is going to avoid the var for now(more for me )
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You can research all the recommended female doses for these compounds witha simple google search.

Question....does she have fat there in the "pooch" as you call it, or are her rectus abdominus muscles seperated like many women get from carrying children. If those muscles are separated, working the core to make it go away actually makes it worse as the muscle grows, causing it to stick out further. The only way to solve this problem is a muscle placation.
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