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Old 04-02-2015, 05:58 AM   #1
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Gyno reduction regimen!! Help please!!

I was taking tren and stenadrol for a 4 week cycle without on-cycle AI. I know, stupid. But that's the damned truth. I had no complications during my cycle nor afterwards.

My PCT were nolva 20mg/ed and clomid 50mg/ed for 4 weeks. Now several months later I am starting to develop symptoms of gyno, puffy soar Nipps and small bump behind the Tipps.

I have started to combat this with nolva and clomid again and I am starting to see a slight improvement.

However I am afraid that I have elevated oestrogen!!!! After my nips is restored with PCT (again) should I tamper off with an AI??

Question: can clomid/nolva have an oestrogen rebound effect?


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Old 04-02-2015, 07:45 AM   #2
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I would throw in some letro with the nolva if it were me.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:24 AM   #3
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Ok, I am not looking to shut down my oestrogen completely for this as I read on this forum that it comes with dry joints etc. Can you give me a standard regiment for letro?

The minimum amount I have found is 1.5mg tabs, if I would need to start with less and tamper off. Do you have a partner that sell 0.5 etc? Cheers webmaster
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:08 PM   #4
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Perhaps your clomid & nolva were no good? That would suck. Never heard of that happening that far out.
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Old 04-03-2015, 01:07 PM   #5
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Could it be that I have damaged my HTPA regeneration? Bound to take TRT for the rest of my life then? The clomid and nolva should've been fine. I ordered it from a quite known source... I just want to get to the bottom of this. My oestrogen was elevated after my cycle and it seems like it didn't normalise.

I'll have to purchase some letro
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Old 04-03-2015, 03:53 PM   #6
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First I have a question. What is stenadrol exactly? Also when you say tren you mean real injectable trenbelone? Let's start there. Gyno can be cause by estrogen as well as progesterone receptor activation. Or both.
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:56 PM   #7
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@Darkness: I took dermaTren - (Estra-4. 9, 11-triene-3, 17-dione). Bought from JW.
I also took the other ProHormone. I cannot find the product online nor do I have the bottle left so I cannot tell it's ingredients.

RUI is not working for me. Would you know another legit Letro source?
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:14 PM   #8
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I rarely use Nolva and Clomid for PCT. I pick one or the other.
Continue the Nolva at 10-20mgs a day and taper off. You could add in some Inhibit E or formestane
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Old 04-17-2015, 10:25 AM   #9
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Do you know any supplements to reduce oestrogen?

I know letro but will that help reduce permanently?
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Old 04-17-2015, 09:29 PM   #10
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Sorry bro I missed your reply days ago.

If I understand that Substance you took properly, it converts to a 19nor and has some other nasty properties and is known to produce gyno from prolactin. This gyno can be removed with a D2 agonist such as cabergoline or pramiplexole. Also run letro alongside. Even though estrogen is likely not directly causing the problem, something about the progesterone receptors in yur titties tend to have a need for the presence of estrogen to have the hormone activate the PR receptor. So let's lower estrogen too.

We have sponsors here who sell research chemicals for your lab rats that have this problem.

A better idea would be to see an endo and get bloodwork. If that's not possible you're really not gonna do any damage if I'm wrong by running .5mg caber ED with .5 mg letro ED. Do this for a month and then taper out of the letro for a week by ramping it down.

Also I would stop the nolva as it tends to amplify the signaling of the PR receptors in breast tissue and can make all this worse if it's indeed a prolactin issue, which I think it is.

Let us know how it goes. I wouldn't use that PH again.
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Old 04-26-2015, 10:19 AM   #11
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the trouble with some ph's is that you never know what they will do or what even is in some of them - I agree to have developed gyno that far out is strange - good luck with it but you may want to consider using real gear and letting the ph's alone
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Maybe liked his big titties and decided to keep them.

It’s always nice to get some feedback from these guys if your suggestions worked or not. I was pretty sure of myself on this one based on looking up that shitty PH properties plus experience with the PR manipulation.
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if my memory serves [estra-4. 9 11 triene3, 17-dione]sold as tren is a progestin and i'd say the sten is also a ph w progestin activity.........so with that for pct clomid to bind to the recepters block estrogen away from breastsss....nolva is a low concentrate estrogen to fill the recepters to keep the stronger ones from binding ..so clomid/letro/ caber is the way to go at this point imo I use easy English
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