Homos and Equipoise

[Shinobi]

Stay away from soy.

But should I take AI or not during deca + test enan cycle?

[b52]

Stay away from soy.

Soy always gave me the greatest pecs. Although they were a bit rounder than most guys and the nipples were a little sore but they were huge. Stuff works great.

[Glycomann]

Reality check on Equipoise

The package insert states the dose for horses is 1 mg/kg every three weeks. For a 1200 lb horse that's about 500 mg. It also states that usually response of debilitated horses have sufficient response after 2 doses. Horses have nearly equivalent general response to humans so human dose ~ horse dose.

Therefore, a human dose for a therapeutic dose is ~ 1 mg/kg every three weeks. That would be for a debilitated human to respond to a state of "health" after 2 100 mg doses over a 6 week period. So what do bodybuilder do?

In the 1980 -1990 period EQ was typically used along side testosterone or even as a stand alone by gym rats at a dose of 100-300 mg/w. So, 3-9 times the therapeutic dose.

Fast forward to today. By today's parlance a dose less than 400 mg/w is considered a waste. Common dose is 400-800 mg/w. That is 12 to 24 times the therapeutic dose.

In the late 80s 250 mg/w over 10 weeks as a stand alone was comfortable and effective. Today I hear about side effects including astronomically high red cells, anxiety, ravenous hunger. I really don't recall any of that in the 1980s.

The effect of EQ is generally hardening, vascularity, a drier look, modest lean mass gain. Coupled with testosterone, there is a more dramatic weight gain. Some of the more massive guys I know in the 80s and 90s loved their Test/EQ cycles. Cycles in general were not hugely high milligram. More like injects 2x to 3x a week. 400-600 test adn 150-250 EQ.

By dosing EQ at 400-1000 mg a week are we hoping to make a dry lean gainer into a super anabolic? I have seen it work well at lower doses when it was legit from vet pharma. I have seen it sort of supercharge Test at the low doses.

let's compare to Test cypionate. Replacement dose is typically 100 mg/w. An effective BBing dose can be as low as 250 mg/w and into the 750 mg/w range typically the higher end needing an AI. So at the lower end we are at 2.5 times the therapeutic dose and the high end at 7.5 times the dose. That compared to modern EQ doses of 12 - 24 times therapeutic dose. If we use Testosterone BBing dose as the base for calculation then the rational EQ dose would be 85 - 250 mg/w. The upper end of that estimate was the BBing effective dose in the 1980s.

[b52]

Reality check on Equipoise

The package insert states the dose for horses is 1 mg/kg every three weeks. For a 1200 lb horse that's about 500 mg. It also states that usually response of debilitated horses have sufficient response after 2 doses. Horses have nearly equivalent general response to humans so human dose ~ horse dose.

Therefore, a human dose for a therapeutic dose is ~ 1 mg/kg every three weeks. That would be for a debilitated human to respond to a state of "health" after 2 100 mg doses over a 6 week period. So what do bodybuilder do?

In the 1980 -1990 period EQ was typically used along side testosterone or even as a stand alone by gym rats at a dose of 100-300 mg/w. So, 3-9 times the therapeutic dose.

Fast forward to today. By today's parlance a dose less than 400 mg/w is considered a waste. Common dose is 400-800 mg/w. That is 12 to 24 times the therapeutic dose.

In the late 80s 250 mg/w over 10 weeks as a stand alone was comfortable and effective. Today I hear about side effects including astronomically high red cells, anxiety, ravenous hunger. I really don't recall any of that in the 1980s.

The effect of EQ is generally hardening, vascularity, a drier look, modest lean mass gain. Coupled with testosterone, there is a more dramatic weight gain. Some of the more massive guys I know in the 80s and 90s loved their Test/EQ cycles. Cycles in general were not hugely high milligram. More like injects 2x to 3x a week. 400-600 test adn 150-250 EQ.

By dosing EQ at 400-1000 mg a week are we hoping to make a dry lean gainer into a super anabolic? I have seen it work well at lower doses when it was legit from vet pharma. I have seen it sort of supercharge Test at the low doses.

let's compare to Test cypionate. Replacement dose is typically 100 mg/w. An effective BBing dose can be as low as 250 mg/w and into the 750 mg/w range typically the higher end needing an AI. So at the lower end we are at 2.5 times the therapeutic dose and the high end at 7.5 times the dose. That compared to modern EQ doses of 12 - 24 times therapeutic dose. If we use Testosterone BBing dose as the base for calculation then the rational EQ dose would be 85 - 250 mg/w. The upper end of that estimate was the BBing effective dose in the 1980s.

Good read. I don't think I ever tried it at 250mg/wk. I might have to next run. It works extremely well. Still think it's my all time favorite. I'm noticing certain compounds you don't really get more with a higher dose.

[Deadwood]

I'm 9 weeks into 375 mg test E 400 mg EQ PW for a shoulder recovery cycle using increased collagen synthesis. First time using EQ and I love it. I have no sides. Weeks 2-5 I had insatiable hunger, but that's unfortunately subsided. Mirror and weights show they are working great. I'm adding EQ to my next bulk for sure.

[Dakota]

Great stuff Gman.

I only used EQ once 15 + years ago and was completely unimpressed.

I don't recall exactly but a typical cycle for me would have been around 300 test and 200-250 EQ. I used to use about around 500mg total being very conservative.

Enan and Deca was my go to back then.

[gotgame]

lol what. Gylco... thought you were on low dose TRT only or has that changed.

As for EQ... never have been a big fan. Prefer test and GH these days.

[Big B]

lol what. Gylco... thought you were on low dose TRT only or has that changed.

As for EQ... never have been a big fan. Prefer test and GH these days.

Good to see you here, homie!

[Glycomann]

You guys realize I was just messing around right??

[Glycomann]

lol what. Gylco... thought you were on low dose TRT only or has that changed.

As for EQ... never have been a big fan. Prefer test and GH these days.

WHAT??? Where did you come up with that story? No, I go on just TRT 100 mg/w for 3-6 months at a time but I sneak in a cycle here and there. I tend to stay low testosterone and add in some low aromatizing stuff on top and avoid AI as much as possible. Frankly, I prefer to stay in the dojo and just lift a few days a week and keep with TRT. That's when my health markers are pristine. But I get the dark call here and there and then all of the sudden I have a much fuller stick pin in my hand and maybe a couple pills a day in the pill dispenser.

[Kluso]

Dam, I had a feeling I was grey but now I know for sure!