Deca or Tren for size gain?

[lazeare1]

Hey guys.

Title explains the question. I have 5 cycles experience with tren but never messed with Deca. Tailing off a 500/wk test e right now, gonna pair test with one of the above.

The strength gains with Tren were great, but I'm older and wouldn't mind getting some of my youthful size back. Already strong as hell anyways

Don't know why I've never looked into Deca before. Anyone got experience with deca+test only?

[liftsiron]

Test and deca, with some dbol maybe, is a classic bulking cycle. Your size depends on your diet, and also on your training, too. Tren is a stronger steroid but it can also rev up your metabolism to such an extent that you can't eat enough cals to get huge on it. Tren can also be rough on the appetite. If you can eat like a rabid maniac, then tren will get you huge *and* ripped. But if you prefer a milder compound that will put some serious mass on you without turning you into *such* a walking calorie furnace, then test, deca, and dbol, or maybe drol is the way to go. Just lift heavy, rest and sleep, and eat like it's your job.

warreng sums it up real good, test/deca equals good gains in size and strength and deca really to relieve joint pain.

[lazeare1]

Test and deca, with some dbol maybe, is a classic bulking cycle. Your size depends on your diet, and also on your training, too. Tren is a stronger steroid but it can also rev up your metabolism to such an extent that you can't eat enough cals to get huge on it. Tren can also be rough on the appetite. If you can eat like a rabid maniac, then tren will get you huge *and* ripped. But if you prefer a milder compound that will put some serious mass on you without turning you into *such* a walking calorie furnace, then test, deca, and dbol, or maybe drol is the way to go. Just lift heavy, rest and sleep, and eat like it's your job.

Awesome. Thanks man. I definitely have a hard time eating enough on tren - and I'm a fat motherfucker sometimes. I'll give deca a whirl after over a decade of avoiding it.

[MR. BMJ]

Personally I like NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate) over Deca (nandrolone decanoate). I get much less sides from it, and if something goes wrong, such as sore nips or 'deca dick,' then it doesn't linger in the system as long. Adding 100mg of NPP on let's say m/w/f, in addition to your test, will probably bring what you are looking for. At that dosage, the sides are lower, and you feel good.

For myself, I only use Tren for cutting cycles. I use NPP (or deca if you prefer) for other times of the year if I need a bump here and there. Both work any time of the year, I just prefer to use tren where it shines most for me, and that's during a cutting cycle where calories are lower and catabolism is higher.

[Dawgpound_Hank]

Deca makes you bigger. Tren (tren a) makes you LOOK bigger.

First time I ran tren (tren a), it was with test e. I wasn't even dieting or prepping for a show, yet everyone in the gym was asking me whens the show. To add, I didn't gain any weight that cycle, but it was the most cut I've ever been.

Biggest I got was when running a cycle of deca 500mg, test e 750mg and tren e 400mg. I had run test with tren e before and didn't put on the same mass, so I atrribute it to the deca.

So end of the day, IME, deca for sheer size/scale weight, tren a for crazy definition, which will make you look bigger.

--- Edited from a being a book ---

[Dawgpound_Hank]

Just a lil' sumthin' to add - if comparing sides, deca wins hands down. Most won't experience deca dick if running low doses, or running test at a 2:1 ratio higher. Also with cialis and viagra, deca dick is really a thing of the past for those poor suckas that do get it from just looking at it. The joint relief is an added bonus.

The list of sides for tren goes on and on man. For me the insomnia was the worst - trying to bang hard in the gym on only 4 hours a sleep a night is tough, AND dangerous. This could be the reason why ya hear of sooo many muscle tears occuring while on it. Getting strong as superman without sleep, somethings gotta give. I have ran tren only 3x, and two of those times I tore a muscle - pec first, calf second time. Go figure. Gotta be more than coincidence being I've ran a shitload of cycles and that only happened on tren.

[lazeare1]

The list of sides for tren goes on and on man. For me the insomnia was the worst - trying to bang hard in the gym on only 4 hours a sleep a night is tough, AND dangerous. This could be the reason why ya hear of sooo many muscle tears occuring while on it. Getting strong as superman without sleep, somethings gotta give. I have ran tren only 3x, and two of those times I tore a muscle - pec first, calf second time. Go figure. Gotta be more than coincidence being I've ran a shitload of cycles and that only happened on tren.

Yeah man I hear you on ALL of that. I tore my left pec and BOTH cuffs on Tren cycles, but I was pretty young and dumb at that point. The lack of sleeps and post shot coughs suck too.

I'm gonna run a test e/deca stack and see where it takes me. I sit at a natty 8% BF so I'm really not looking for definition anymore. Gonna try to get back up to 250lbs.

Also gonna have to start meal prepping even MORE chicken breasts. Yeesh... might have to have some more big macs in my life.

[b52]

Deca is good for size but you definitely hold more water. Tren a is fantastic for making you look bigger like jerky stated. I have a couple pics in the pic section. You can definitely tell which one had the npp.

[Deacon]

Deca makes you bigger. Tren (tren a) makes you LOOK bigger.

First time I ran tren (tren a), it was with test e. I wasn't even dieting or prepping for a show, yet everyone in the gym was asking me whens the show. To add, I didn't gain any weight that cycle, but it was the most cut I've ever been.

Biggest I got was when running a cycle of deca 500mg, test e 750mg and tren e 400mg. I had run test with tren e before and didn't put on the same mass, so I atrribute it to the deca.

So end of the day, IME, deca for sheer size/scale weight, tren a for crazy definition, which will make you look bigger.

--- Edited from a being a book ---

I couldn't agree more with this - I can gain size on tren and do but I have to eat a ton of calories to do so - test deca and dbol will add size like a mofo but a lot of it may be water depending on you and your diet body chemistry etc - I often will run test tren and deca for size that is more lean mass

for me a deca cycle over 600 mgs per week bloats me bad

[Deacon]

Just a lil' sumthin' to add - if comparing sides, deca wins hands down. Most won't experience deca dick if running low doses, or running test at a 2:1 ratio higher. Also with cialis and viagra, deca dick is really a thing of the past for those poor suckas that do get it from just looking at it. The joint relief is an added bonus.

The list of sides for tren goes on and on man. For me the insomnia was the worst - trying to bang hard in the gym on only 4 hours a sleep a night is tough, AND dangerous. This could be the reason why ya hear of sooo many muscle tears occuring while on it. Getting strong as superman without sleep, somethings gotta give. I have ran tren only 3x, and two of those times I tore a muscle - pec first, calf second time. Go figure. Gotta be more than coincidence being I've ran a shitload of cycles and that only happened on tren.

once again well put - I believe that the tears occur because some guys get to dried out on tren - I always run a small dose of deca for joints anyway but I feel its why I have avoided tears with tren

[Dakota]

I still think that the old test/deca standby is a solid cycle. Maybe even start with a couple weeks of dbol just to do a true throwback cycle. Most of us don't compete so as long as your BP is good who cares about a little water for a while? Those quick gains are motivating.

[wallyd]

Personally I like NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate) over Deca (nandrolone decanoate). I get much less sides from it, and if something goes wrong, such as sore nips or 'deca dick,' then it doesn't linger in the system as long. Adding 100mg of NPP on let's say m/w/f, in addition to your test, will probably bring what you are looking for. At that dosage, the sides are lower, and you feel good.

For myself, I only use Tren for cutting cycles. I use NPP (or deca if you prefer) for other times of the year if I need a bump here and there. Both work any time of the year, I just prefer to use tren where it shines most for me, and that's during a cutting cycle where calories are lower and catabolism is higher.

This ^^^^ NPP is my go to anymore.

[jrod]

I did tbol instead of Dbol the last time I ran deca/test and had tremendous results.
I may have run eq with it as well.

[Deacon]

I was disappointed last time with t-bol but I have friends who swear by it

[Glycomann]

once again well put - I believe that the tears occur because some guys get to dried out on tren - I always run a small dose of deca for joints anyway but I feel its why I have avoided tears with tren

I agree. If you hit it right nandrolones help joints even for some time after you drop them.