I have a confession to make...

[Darkness]

I am a blast and cruise guy, but really it is all blast and damn little cruise anymore. I think the last time I cruised for real was Autumn on 2010. Wow thats a long time. That never stopped me from preaching to the people about doing this safely and healthy and blah blah blah. "Here take my advice I'm not using it."

So anyhow I dropped everything last week except 250mg EW test. I am going to run this for 8 weeks and get some BW done in the mean time and continue to train and eat hard. I have told myself that if I am a good little boy, I can have my favorite cocktail May 1....test/tren/mast blend with enough tbol to cook my liver.

That's all.

[skii]

Im in the same boat as you. My next cruise isnt til after the show i do in july lol.

[Dawgpound_Hank]

I am a blast and cruise guy, but really it is all blast and damn little cruise anymore. I think the last time I cruised for real was Autumn on 2010. Wow thats a long time. That never stopped me from preaching to the people about doing this safely and healthy and blah blah blah. "Here take my advice I'm not using it."

Why? I mean its not like you compete right? So whats the point? Shit you're still in your 30's right - just come off altogther for 6 months or so and give the body a break.

[Darkness]

Why? I mean its not like you compete right? So whats the point? Shit you're still in your 30's right - just come off altogther for 6 months or so and give the body a break.

I'm 39.9. Last time I came off I crashed and burned. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Is there really a big difference between coming off and using a replacement dose when it comes to allowing everything to reset and giving the body a break?

[Bad juju]

Why? I mean its not like you compete right? So whats the point? Shit you're still in your 30's right - just come off altogther for 6 months or so and give the body a break.

i would also agree with this. even if you crash and burn for abit time would still heal you up at some point

[irish_2003]

after being on mostly since 07 i'm considering using only OTC supps and going natural...i honestly think it can be done...sure it will take alot longer than normal, but i don't believe that once you're shut down it's 100% permanent...

[ANDROGENETX]

I'm 39.9. Last time I came off I crashed and burned. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Is there really a big difference between coming off and using a replacement dose when it comes to allowing everything to reset and giving the body a break?

IMO and the opinion of my endo, there is no difference from making your own or being on a replacement dose. Now that is definitely an over simplified statement lh, fsh, etc will be altered, but health wise all the same.

[BikerTrash]

I took 3 to 4 months off with nothing at all , No supps .....Now since I fired up this recent blast I am feeling great !!!!!
And im running your favorite cocktail and its delicious !!!!!!!!
Also even if you do it your own way , I like the fact you give the honest and proper way to do things , becuase there are people who listen to your advise.

[willi]

Crashing and burning doesn't sound like a great idea. There's surely a way so that doesn't have to happen. Whats Glyco's opinion?
With regards to Irish...I was on and was shut down to "0" swimmer count and I was reactivated to +5,000,000 so we could have a baby. Thank you Clomid and Tamoxifen.
Of course you should talk with you know who. He will know your answer.

[irish_2003]

Crashing and burning doesn't sound like a great idea. There's surely a way so that doesn't have to happen. Whats Glyco's opinion?
With regards to Irish...I was on and was shut down to "0" swimmer count and I was reactivated to +5,000,000 so we could have a baby. Thank you Clomid and Tamoxifen.
Of course you should talk with you know who. He will know your answer.

My reason isn't to have kids...its more to avoid legal risks and other risks ...

[Number-LL]

Cruise for a while buddy. You might be surprised how good you feel.

I like the sound of your special sauce. For some reason I didn't think about Tbol for mine. That sounds like a good idea and just might add that to my future big daddy fun time.

[Glycomann]

Personally i always came off. This year I nearly made the decision to just stay on at least a TRT amount from here on out since I'm in my 50s. But as time goes on I always come back to just going off for a while. Luckily I always recover and I still think most guys can. I don't think that's the problem for most folks. the problem is the time it takes to really recover after being on so long and that's where the ego takes a shit.

i just took shit from Shovel on one of the other boards for telling my story from last year. I went off at 210 for 5 months. Shrunk down to a pretty lean 195 over spring/summer and got real tan. Black girls i know kept feeling my skin and telling me I could pass for black. So I guess i looked good enough for some chickies. Anyhow I felt like shit for 8 weeks. Then it got better. then by the 20th week, after lifting lighter and doing some running and some dojo stuff I was down to 195. I started squatting and deadlifting again and bumped up 7 lbs with no juice. Then I added small amount of juice and blew up to 220. Then after blasting and taking short 3 week breaks I hit 218 at just under 10% BF

Some people just look at it like I shrank and then blew back up. I see it as I let myself get healthy but still put on 10 lbs of good mass at 50 years old in a year.

Going off is no fun but in the end at least for me it still works and i get to have my cake (my health) and eat it too (my swull).

It helps to have another physical activity to get into that requires some athleticism. That way you get to see yourself improve in a different way without having to look in the mirror. In a way it is liberating. After a while I wonder WTF I am doing steroids for because after 4 or 5 months of that i feel great and look OK and everything works and nearly nothing hurts.

My way is the old school way. The modern way is to just ramp this stuff up and down and build the monster .. or at least try to build the monster. i think in the end we all ahve to come off sooner or later. I've always kept my balls i the game. This year I'm going to Italy for 3 months. i don't plan to be on anything and I know I can be recovered before I even leave and I will be up to my natural par the whole time I am there free of the needle.

That's comforting to me.

We all have to make the choice.

[Number-LL]

After I decided to train a little so I could at least run part of a 5K with my daughter, it puts a whole new prospective on everything. All that weight hurts when it bounces up and down as you jog. Your mind shifts to a different focus of getting your weight down and your stamina up. I still like the big guy versus the skinny runner.

[Glycomann]

After I decided to train a little so I could at least run part of a 5K with my daughter, it puts a whole new prospective on everything. All that weight hurts when it bounces up and down as you jog. Your mind shifts to a different focus of getting your weight down and your stamina up. I still like the big guy versus the skinny runner.

Sprints brother. mile warm up and then lots and lots of sprints. Ease into it. Feels good and you get legs from it. And you feel spingy. Like when you're waitign in line at the post office you want to jump up and down like you are made of springs.

[Glycomann]

I want to add something else here. Coming off sure is not all sunshine and rainbows. When i was just about 30 I came off after close to 3 years of pretty hard cycling. i used a lot of deca and pretty much everything I could get my hands on. But the major bitch in the fight was deca. Always deca was in there at least a couple vials a week for 12-20 weeks at a time with some off periods. But after about 3 years I had had enough and went off. i was soft and my dick didn't work right for a year. Eventually i snapped back and was a porno star again. but I looked like absolute shit for a year and I never stopped going to the gym.

I still think quick breaks 6,,8,,12 weeks off are good for you and will recover faster if you exercise your HPTA that way but its a rollar coaster ride. I also think there is something to be said for staying on and blast and cruise. Taht way you avoid the shitty cruise up to speed when going back on and the crash when coming off. They feel like shit but in the end your body thrives because of the break. I think there is a way to let most systems except the HPTA recover by doing a low cruise. maybe it's even possible to exercise the HPTA whilst on a true replacement dose by using nightly clomid bursts.

Bottom line though, for most guys coming off after a lot of time on and big boy cycles is a long road to recovery. Then again when I was in my 40s I was on for 2 years and was surprised to see my levels normal after 3 months. i did take a few quick breaks here and there for 3 weeks here of 6 weeks there.

Another thing is if you use hCG regularly recovery will be easier. Teh hypothalamus recovers very quickly. atrophied testes do not. So the rate limiting step in recovery is the testes. Keep them ready to go and recovery is much easier. the hypothalamus/pituitary bits come back in 3-4 weeks. If you get your Lh and FSH levels checked at week 4 they will be normal or there abouts. But if your testes have been shit off aka no hCG, then your test levels will be in the shitter. If you used hCG then at 4 weeks you might already be 1/2 way to recovered i.e. 250-350 ng/dL. That's generally enough to get normal night time erections and decent sexual desire.