Staying on year round??

[Joe0690]

I know a few of you don't come off at all.... I'm curious what's your base dose you use year round and what dose do you use when bulking? Do you find that juice is less effective now that your on all year? And does the dose you are using just maintain or help you slowly build throughout the year?


( I'm not planning to use year round , I'm just curious and maybe wondering what the lowest dose I can use to get benifits )

[Darkness]

200 test c trt.

Cycles lately have been 400 or 500 test. Maybe add 200 - 300 mast e. Maybe throw in a few weeks of var or win at 20 ED. As you can see not big doses or heavy compounds anymore.

[bufbiker]

Not coming off does tend to reduce the big bang. But you're switching compounds every 16 weeks or so. Or you go to a test base with an oral for that real kick.
I stayed on cycle strength doses for five years. I come off completely at least three times a year now. I let my ability to wake up with a hard on to determine when it's time to come off.

[MindlessWork]

So there any real benefits from staying on long term vis a vis running cycles on and off?

[ozzy69]

So there any real benefits from staying on long term vis a vis running cycles on and off?

Hot topic for debate. Depends on what school you want to follow. Most of us here are old so we stay on trt year round now cuz we have to.

[liftsiron]

I feel like shit whenever off, so constant on works for me best. I'm still hitting it hard in the gym.

[andrew0409]

Honestly, I don't want to come off. Part of it is because I plan to play sports professionally and it gives me an edge or at least an even playing field over someone who wants to take my spot. I'm in my mid 20s, foolish to not come off? maybe, but I guess in my mind it's worth it now. My only concern is if I do get married, my ability to have kids. I dont know how much and how long you have to be on for infertility to be an issue.

[Acneman]

Honestly, I don't want to come off. Part of it is because I plan to play sports professionally and it gives me an edge or at least an even playing field over someone who wants to take my spot. I'm in my mid 20s, foolish to not come off? maybe, but I guess in my mind it's worth it now. My only concern is if I do get married, my ability to have kids. I dont know how much and how long you have to be on for infertility to be an issue.

well. unless you are my age, forever on should not be the plan. if you are a pro athelete how do you avoid getting popped for dirty ped drug test? mid twenties is real young to give up on your natural body.

[beast]

I hate being off so I limit it. When I feel that a normal cycle dose like 500 test isn't doing shit I come off even for a month wth heavy hcg and clomid. I judge when to come back on with years of doing it. I like the Big Bang coming back on.

[andrew0409]

well. unless you are my age, forever on should not be the plan. if you are a pro athelete how do you avoid getting popped for dirty ped drug test? mid twenties is real young to give up on your natural body.

league doesn't test for it. Probably a combination of being cheap, don't really care, or just if players perform better it benefits them.

[Ryangigi]

Could not agree more with Liftsiron,,,, I feel like pure shit when off so I have not for past 7 years I guess it has been. Twice a year I jack it up with multiple or also and heavy doses, but other then that just cruise and I stay feeling good and strong, emotions are in check and strength keeps consistent.

[Glycomann]

I'm glad I cycled on and off in my late 20s when I was in competitive sports. I think it was probably better over the long run. I think there is a lot of wear and tear on when there is a imbalance between connective tissue and muscle mass and fluid retention and so on. I had some of my best seasons when off. I didn't pound my endocrine system so my HPTA back then bounced right back. Plus I had a kid in the midst of my prime when on and off. I really think if you have a decent amount of talent you should be able to do very well cycling on and off. They can be used to push your peak and not destroy your endocrine system. You should be able to cycle on and off for 10 years and still have an intact endocrine system given that you are patient enough to let it kick back in.

On the flip-side if you stay on year around you will have issues to deal with. When it's all done with or when you have to take a break from the sports/gym life, and that will happen eventually, you very well might have destroyed your HPTA and need hormone therapy, which can be a real nucience as you progress in the decades when uour body is relegated to hormone use and all the risks associated. As you progress in the first 2 years of continuous use you will have to monitor your hematocrit, blood pressure, and heart rate. As the years pile on you need to have cardiac workup with EKG. the numbers will come back off sometimes and you will have to adjust things something like a true TRT dose for a while, like 100 mg/w for periods. So essentially you will have to jump to human doses from time to time. Not as uncomfortable as coming off but essentially in a normal state rather than enhanced. You may see loss of stamina. This will especially happen as the late career years are on you. AAS tends to do that over a decade use. Probably a combination of increased blood volume, altered vasculature signaling in a number of pathway components, hypertention, and cardiac remodeling.

[jrod]

I let my ability to wake up with a hard on to determine when it's time to come off.

Explain what you mean by this. How does that tell you when it's time to come off?

[Rider]

I'm on TRT, so year round for me.
I also throw in a variety on top of that. I really like Var and Proviron as my orals. I also like a light dose of deca 200mg per week for joint relief. When not on deca, I do incorporate Tren. Tren is amazing, but I try to use it sparingly due to the sides.

[bufbiker]

Explain what you mean by this. How does that tell you when it's time to come off?

When I'm not waking up with wood I know, for me, at my age, it's time to come off. I'd rather get laid than be on. I'm already big enough and strong enough, and im the solid steel of sex appeal. But if I can't get it up its not worth it to me. Now I know you younger guys in your twenties, thirties and even forties will say I'm not dosing my ai and prolactin antagonist properly. But when you get where some I f us older guys are it's a delicate balance between vavoom and viagra.