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  • Easto

    IGF-1

    HERE IS THE ARTICLE:

    What a perfect question! You actually have talked to just the right person. I have a business associate that worked for the company that produces this in Australia. Several years ago, I ordered 10mg of Long R3 IGF-1 and used it for several months. What I found out was truly amazing.

    Before I tell you about my results, let me tell you that if you are going to use IGF-1 then make sure it is the Long R3 version! Let me explain. Regular IGF-1 like what is produced in your body is transported around connected to binding proteins. There are quite a few of these and their main purpose is to grab ahold of the IGF-1 peptide and keep it from being quickly degraded. Without these binding proteins, all of the IGF-1 would be metabolized in the body within a few minutes. The problem (at least it seems like a problem but might actually be a good thing) is that these binding proteins basically prevent the IGF-1 from performing its function. As long as IGF-1 is attached to the binding protein it cannot do the cool stuff that it wants to do. Regular IGF-1 must be released from its binding protein in order to accomplish its mission. Part of the problem is that much of the IGF-1 is degraded before it is released (seems like much is wasted doesn’t it?)

    With Long R3 IGF-1 this problem doesn’t exist. Understand that the Long R3 version does not bind to the various binding proteins. It is free to move throughout your body and immediately start doing all the cool stuff that it wants to do. Again, understand that the Long R3 version is several orders of magnitude stronger than regular IGF-1.

    If you would happen to use regular IGF-1, you would need several milligrams per day in order to get the desired effect. With the Long R3 version, you need only microgram quantities. Long R3 is also inherently MUCH cheaper to produce. What I am saying is that for the average person, regular IGF-1 is not practical—it is too expensive and you need to use too much. With Long R3 IGF-1, the price to results ratio is pretty good!

    Something else I want to explain is how I went about preparing it for injection into my body. Unfortunately, this is not easy and the average person will have a hard time doing it. At the time, I worked in a sophisticated lab which had all of the necessary equipment. I ordered 10mg of Long R3 IGF-1 and it came in a single flip-top vial. 10mg might not seem like much but believe me, when it comes to Long R3 IGF-1, it is a ton! Some people might say to just add saline to the vial, keep it in the fridge and inject it when necessary. However, this will not work well because the IGF-1 is not highly stable and will degrade in an aqueous environment. 10mg was enough for many months and I needed a way that would allow the IGF-1 to remain potent during this entire time. I did my research and developed my method. I ordered what is known as microvials and sterilized them. I then diluted the IGF-1 with sterile water and added just a tad of acid to increase stability. Although it took quite a while, I then used a micropipette and alliquotted an amount of solution that contained 50mcg into one of my microvials. I closed the microvial and then froze it in a deep freezer. When I was ready to inject, I took out one or more of my microvials, thawed it out, combined it with saline and injected it.

    When I first started taking Long R3 IGF-1, I used 50mcg every other day. Amazingly, within days, I started noticing some effects in my body. I felt super hungry all of the time and just felt “anabolic”. I can’t describe this feeling except to say that it was very similar to being on anabolic steroids (I wasn’t on at the time). Within one month, I gained almost 17 pounds of fairly lean mass! After the first month, something happened though and I noticed that it didn’t seem to be working that well. I upped the dosage several times over the next month to keep up the desired effects. On the third month, I was using several hundred micrograms per day but wasn’t noticing any further gains. All in all, I gained about 20 pounds of pretty solid mass!

    Please notice that almost all of my gains were within the first month of taking the Long R3 IGF-1. After this first month, my gains slowed down considerably and eventually stopped altogether even though I was taking high dosages. Why did this happen?

    From all of my research, I suppose one of two things might have happened to prevent me from making further gains. What I truly suspect is that the Long R3 IGF-1 downregulated the amount of binding proteins being produced by my body (research confirms this). When I first started to inject the IGF-1, I was supplementing my own body’s IGF-1. I not only had my own IGF-1 working throughout the day but I had the potent surges of Long R3 IGF-1 that I would inject. Over time though, the binding proteins were downregulated. Of course my body continued to produce some (albeit less) IGF-1, however, because there were very little or no binding proteins it was quickly degraded. From what I can tell, I was in a state where 95% of the day my body did not have the benefits of IGF-1. Basically, it got what it got when I injected the Long R3 version.

    The other possibility is that I built up antibodies to the Long R3 IGF-1 which basically sought out and destroyed what I injected. Although possible, I don’t believe this actually happened because it is not supported by research. I have seen no evidence which suggests that Long R3 IGF-1 causes antibody production.

    To fix the above problem, one would have to cycle the Long R3 IGF-1. The best thing would probably be to take it every other month. This would allow your own body’s IGF-1 and binding proteins to return to normal.

    Overall, I had a good experience with Long R3 IGF-1. The results were different than with steroids. I have noticed that steroids cause preferential growth of certain muscles, especially those that are stressed (as in lifting). The IGF-1 though seemed to cause my entire body to get a little thicker. I guess IGF-1 is less compensatory in nature and exerts a more whole-body anabolicity.

    Would I recommend IGF-1? To the right person who is very careful and knows what he’s doing and has a good background in the sciences and has access to a good lab, YES! However, you can tell that I have listed many prerequisites to using it. For the average Joe, I believe is is just too complicated to be safe.
  • Easto

    #2
    From Renvar:


    IGF-1 Long R3 is a fairly new product so a lot of this speculation and guesses. I can say though that I have been reading everything I can find on this product for some time now and I have put together what I think covers most of the questions about IGF-1 Long R3.

    Recommended Dosage: 20mcg to 120mcg a day split into 2 shots.

    When to take: There have been some suggestions that it would be good to spot inject after workouts do to IGF-1 Longs ability to help with protein synthesis. Here is a post from Usman on the MuscleChemistry board.

    "We all know that according to this theory satellite cells donate nuclei to existing muscle cells to make them grow, and Insulin-like growth factor (specifically IGF-1) stimulates both proliferation and differentiation. In addition IGF-1, when injected locally, increases satellite cell activity, muscle DNA, muscle protein content, muscle weight and muscle cross sectional area.
    Anyway what my question is that would doing site injection of IGF-1 long R3 just before workout in the muscles you were planning on training, cause a further stimulus for growth. As doing site injections this way would augment the release of satellite cells during training and therefore increase potential for growth after a workout.
    What is interesting about this compound is that compounds such as steroids and IGF1 increase protein synthesis but this effect happens after a workout when you recover and this is where you grow. I’m not saying your going to grow while working out, but because satellite cells are responsible for the growth of structures within muscle cell (i.e. myofibrils) and hypertrophy. And assuming if injecting igf1 locally in a muscle, thus saturating it before you workout could augment the release of satellite cells, that would could mean greater amounts of hypertrophy during recovery period. Anyway I'm not saying this is a certain just an thought I had, what do you guys think. Could this work or would it be a waste of time."

    Usman seem way smarter then me and this looks like a good theory so I'll take one shot after my workout and one 12 hours later.

    IM vs SC: I'm would do IM injections because either I hear that it does not matter or that IM is better. There are also suggestions that IM can promote localized growth. One of the complaints is that SC injections leave welts and bumps under the skin for up to a week.

    Diet to use while on IGF-1 Long: Here is a quote from an article posted about IGF-1 Long.
    "When IGF is active it behaves differently in different types of tissues. In muscle cells proteins and associated cell components are stimulated. Protein synthesis is increased along with amino acid absorption. As a source of energy, IGF mobilizes fat for use as energy in adipose tissue. In lean tissue,

    IGF prevents insulin from transporting glucose across cell membranes. As a result the cells have to switch to burning off fat as a source of energy."

    So if your body is going to be forced to use fat as an energy source I would think that any cabs you would eat would just go to storage. IMO I would eat a very low carb, mod fat and high protein diet. It also seems that IGF-1 Long inhibits the ability of glucose transportation across cell membranes so I'm not sure it a after workout carb load would be of benefit. From the posts that I have read form people using IFG-1 Long with nothing else most lifts seem to go down. I wonder if this is because of the lack of glucose in the cell membrane and how heavy lifting uses ATF and ADF in the first 30 seconds of lifting (Please forgive me on the ATF ATD energy theory if it's totally off base. I read that book about 13 years ago so I'm a little rusty).

    To dilute or not to dilute IGF-1: IGF-1 Long is stable in BA but does not seem to be stable in BW for very long. The reason people like to dilute is that when working with such small amounts you don't want to leave any in the slin pin. I've read reports though that some people have added 2ml of BW to there 1ml of there IGF-1 Long and after a week or so there gear went bad. Here is how I would suggest doing it.

    I'm would draw 100mcg of BW into my slin syringe and then 30mcg of IGF-1 Long and then another 100mcg of BW. I'll then give it a good shake remove any air bubbles. This should allow me to keep my IFG-1 Long from becoming contaminated and ruined. I'm pretty sure that the trace amounts of BW on the pin will not jack up my IFG when I draw it out.

    Where to store your IGF-1 Long: Well if IFG-1 Long seems to be stable at room temperature and because of the BA will not freeze either. I think you would be safe putting it in your closet if you had too and I have heard of many reports of people doing this with success. I will be storing mine in a freezer because that seems to be the ideal solution.

    Ok here goes the Renvar official disclaimer. I have not run a cycle of IGF-1 Long yet because it's late getting to me. Everything I have posted above is basically the research I did in prepping for my cycle.

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    • JohnnyB
      vet
      • Jul 2003
      • 2012

      #3
      I'm thinking of giving it a go

      JohnnyB

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      • Andre_G

        #4
        My mother has ALS (Lou Gherigs disease), and her doctor is one of the head docs for ALS research in Canada. I was thinking of writing up an email to him with info on IGF-1 and how i think it could benefit ALS patients and see what he says.
        Those of youf amiliar with ALS will know what i am talking abotu and why it would help.

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