Peak-Muscle.com  

Welcome to the Peak-Muscle.com forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. Come join us in on one of the best online fitness communities. We have 16,000 members that are likeminded towards a fitness, bodybuilding lifestyle. Registration is free and only takes but a few minutes. By joining our free community you will have access to communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to create threads to discuss and or create a fitness regimen. Or just bounce ideas off of some very knowledgeable members. So don't miss out. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Peak-Muscle.com > Anabolic Steroid Discussion > Anabolic Steroids
User Name
Password

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-11-2005, 11:23 PM   #1
rado
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Post How much do you like your liver?

Very long read, but let me say this; If after reading this, those who are on AS don't get blood work done on a normal basis, you're stupid for not doing it. Everyone should have regular physicals on themselves every year and if you're on any kind of AS, have your blood work done every 6-8wks unless otherwise directed by a physician.

I would hate to lose my liver.

Great site for blood work explanation-Link

What is a liver transplant?

A liver transplant is an operation that places a liver from someone who died recently (a deceased or nonliving donor) into someone whose own liver failed because of disease, infection or alcohol or drug abuse.

A partial liver transplant can also be done from a living donor. Many of the recipients of liver transplants are children .The liver will grow back to nearly its full size in both living donors and recipients.

The first human liver transplant was done in 1963. However, the procedure did not gain widespread acceptance until the 1980s.

In 1998, a total of 4,450 liver transplants were done at 124 U.S. transplant centers. In 2002, a total of 5,329 liver transplants were done at transplant centers in this country.

A liver transplant is the second most common organ transplant operation done in the United States.

When is a liver transplant needed?

A liver transplant is needed when your own liver can no longer perform these important functions:

*eliminating drugs and toxic substances from your body
*making immune factors that help you resist infections
*making new body proteins.
*Cirrhosis (the death of liver cells) due to hepatitis C is currently the leading *cause for liver transplantation.

Each year more than 27,000 Americans die of liver diseases. Although some liver problems can be treated with medications, liver transplant is often the most effective treatment for chronic, life-threatening liver disease.

How long is the wait?(this shit is scary here)

The length of time a person may wait for a liver transplant varies, depending on the availability of a compatible donor. The time may be as short as several months to a year or as long as four years. As of September 2003, there were 17,327 candidates on the national waiting list, waiting for a liver transplant.

How successful are they?

The success rates of liver transplant are improving all the time. Currently, at one year after their transplant operation, 77 percent of liver recipients still have a well-functioning transplant, and after five years, 60 percent still have a well-functioning transplant.

Liver transplant patients have about an 87 percent one-year and 77 percent three or more year survival rate, and a good quality of life after recovery.

How much do they cost?

As of 1997, the cost of a liver transplant in the United States was $314,500, including the evaluation, procurement of the liver, hospitalization, physician fees and follow-up care and medications for the first year.

As of 2002, the cost of a liver transplant in the United States averaged about $250,000 for immediate hospital and doctor expenses. Necessary pre- and post-operative expenses brought the total to about $314,500.

In some cases Medicare provides coverage for liver transplants for some causes of liver failure. Talk to your transplant center to see if they are Medicare approved and you meet the criteria for a Medicare covered transplant.

If you have private insurance, you should check with your insurance representative about whether your policy covers liver transplants. This may help to pay some of the costs.

The social worker or a financial counselor at your transplant center may be able to help you to access local, state or national programs that can help you with the costs of the transplant and postoperative care, including needed medications.

How do I start the process?

You start the process by speaking to your doctor about a liver transplant. If your doctor feels that a transplant would be a good treatment choice, you need to contact a transplant center.

You will need to speak to the transplant coordinator at the center, who will make arrangements for you to have a medical evaluation. This will help you and your health care team decide whether a liver transplant is a good option for you.

How am I evaluated for a liver transplant?

When patients have a life-threatening liver disease, the evaluation and liver transplant itself are best undertaken while they are still healthy enough to have major surgery. The patient will need to meet with a transplant surgeon and transplant coordinator at an approved transplant center.

In addition to a medical history review and physical examination, some special tests may include:

*tests of lung function, including chest X-ray
*heart evaluation, including EKG
*ultrasound and CT scan or MRI of the liver
*blood tests including blood and tissue typing
*special X-ray tests of the liver and bile ducts, gall bladder, and pancreas
*X-ray studies of the esophagus, stomach and intestines
*evaluation of kidney function including a 24-hour urine test
*social and psychological evaluation
*eye and dental exams.

If everything goes well, you will be placed on the center’s waiting list until a suitable deceased (nonliving) donor becomes available. You will also be registered on the national computerized registry, which is maintained by the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS).

If a living donor is available, the donor will also need to be evaluated before the surgery can be scheduled.

What are the major risks involved in the surgery?

The first risk is the possibility of acute pre-surgery complications which might cause the operation to be postponed. Once surgery has begun, there are risks that are common to all forms of major surgery.

Occasionally, there may be difficulties removing the diseased liver and implanting the donor liver. For a brief period of time during the procedure, you are without any liver function at all.

After surgery, there is the possibility of inadequate functioning of the new liver, post-operative bleeding, infection, and rejection of the organ.

What should I expect after the transplant operation?

Recovery time varies, depending on a number of factors, including how ill you are before the transplant, and how well you do during the surgery. As a rule, most patients spend several days in the intensive care unit and at least four weeks in the hospital.

In intensive care, you are monitored very closely. After being transferred to a regular hospital room, you are usually allowed to eat, monitoring is decreased, and tests are done less frequently.

To help you regain muscle strength, physical therapy is usually begun as soon as possible. Initially, anti-rejection medications are given intravenously (IV), or directly into your veins.

Later, they are given by mouth. If the new liver fails, it is possible to have another transplant. However, even if the transplant does not function perfectly, you may still do very well.

What complications may occur after the transplant?

The main complications that may occur are infection and rejection. In order to prevent rejection, it is important to take your medications faithfully, exactly as ordered by your doctor.

The symptoms of rejection that liver transplant patients need to watch for may include fatigue and jaundice, or yellowing of your skin.

If you have any of these, speak to your transplant team right away. You will be followed regularly at the transplant center. Sometimes, early symptoms of rejection are hard to notice, but they can be detected in your blood work and treated.

Most liver transplant patients may have a rejection episode during the first few months, requiring a return to the hospital for additional treatment.

The medications you need to take to prevent rejection lower your body’s immune defenses, and this increases the chance you may have an infection. This risk is higher right after your transplant because the doses of your medications are higher.

During this time, it is important to avoid large crowds and people who are sick, especially with contagious diseases such as colds or flu. You should wash your hands often. After a while, the doses of your medications will be reduced, and the chance of getting infections will be less.

Do the anti-rejection medications have side effects?

Yes.

These medications have many potential side effects. All of them can increase your chances of getting infections (see last question). Other side effects depend on the specific medications you are taking.

It is important to learn the side effects each of your medications may cause and understand what to do if you get any of them. Some side effects are more serious and require an immediate call to your transplant team and quick adjustments in your medications.

Other side effects may be more of a bother, but not life-threatening, and they can be dealt with at your next clinic visit. Ask your transplant team how to recognize the side effects of your medications, and what you can do to help minimize side effects.

How can I cope with fears of rejection and other concerns?

Although transplantation gives you a new lease on life with added freedom and increased energy and productivity, it is normal to experience some stress after the transplant.

This may include fear of rejecting the transplant, concerns about returning to work or other activities and feelings of isolation. Some strategies that may help you cope with these and other challenges include:

*join a local support group for transplant recipients
*learn as much as possible about your medical care and individual progress
*find personal quiet time to think about your feelings and concerns and the *adjustments you need to make
*get to know the members of your transplant team, and sit down with them *to discuss the issues that concern you most.

Can I return to work and other activities after the transplant?

It is hoped that you may return to your previous employment, start a new job or work part-time. However, if this is not possible, there are many other types of fulfilling and productive activities you can explore.

These may include continuing your education, pursuing hobbies, volunteering, starting an exercise program, traveling or just spending quality time with family and friends.

If returning to work is an option for you, you may want to ask the transplant social worker at your center for information about the rehabilitation services provided through your state’s Department of Vocational Rehabilitation.

Other sources of help and information

If you have questions or problems, you should speak with your doctor or other members of the health care team at your transplant center. For further information you may contact:

American Liver Foundation:
1-800-GO-LIVER

National Kidney Foundation
1-800-622-9010

National Transplant Assistance Fund
1-800-642-8399

Veterans Assistance
(if you are a veteran and received your transplant at a VA hospital)
Insurance for High Risk Individuals
1-800-942-4242

National Foundation for Transplants
1-800-489-3863

Transplant Foundation
1-804-285-5115

Angel Flight
(American Medical Support Flight Team)
1-310-398-6123

The Children’s Organ Transplant Association
1-800-366-2682

You may also be interested in the following NKF publications. Copies are available by contacting your local NKF Affiliate, or by calling the national toll-free number: 1-800-622-9010.

From Illness to Wellness: Life after Transplantation
Optimal Drug Use: Be a Team Player
The Organ and Tissue Donor Program
Nutrition and Transplantation
How to Write to Donor Families
Transplant Chronicles—a quarterly newsletter for transplant recipients and their families.

You may also be interested in learning more about NKF's transAction Council. The Council provides recipients and their families with information and programs in education, fitness and research designed to improve their quality of life.

Membership in the Council is free and open to all individuals who have received a life-saving or life-enhancing organ transplant, their families and friends. For more information about the benefits of membership and to receive a membership form, call or write the National Kidney Foundation.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2005, 05:37 AM   #2
bigkarch
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
I like my liver
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2005, 09:11 AM   #3
CO-B16
Vet
 
CO-B16's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,905
CO-B16 is on a distinguished road
and i like my winny.....
__________________
THIS POST IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY

YO MOMMA
CO-B16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2005, 10:08 AM   #4
rado
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by CO-B16
and i like my winny.....
lmfao......
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2005, 03:29 PM   #5
Stackt
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Good post ! So thats how much my liver cost .......
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2005, 09:25 PM   #6
powerlifter
VET
 
powerlifter's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 170
powerlifter is on a distinguished road
informational read Rado
__________________
Anything I say is for educational purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose or treat. Please consult with your medical practitioner, as they will be able to see and more accurately gauge the depth of the problem...my advice shall be meant as suggestions only, as advice and opinions can vary widely amongst professionals.
powerlifter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2005, 07:39 AM   #7
DADAWG
Vet
 
DADAWG's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 3,097
DADAWG is a jewel in the roughDADAWG is a jewel in the roughDADAWG is a jewel in the rough
good info bro
__________________
NOT ONLY IS STUPIDITY INCURABLE BUT ITS ALSO CONTAGIOUS OVER THE INTERNET.
DADAWG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2005, 02:20 PM   #8
zeke
Vet
 
zeke's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Age: 54
Posts: 666
zeke will become famous soon enough
I'm glad to see that this is an option today. My sister, 23 at the time, died from hepatitis in 1980 because this type of medical procedure wasn't availible. Good to see that it is today for people that need it.

Z-
zeke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2005, 09:34 AM   #9
Deacon
Vet
 
Deacon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Belleview Psych Ward RM 213
Posts: 3,686
Deacon is just really niceDeacon is just really niceDeacon is just really niceDeacon is just really nice
the liver is pretty important - but it is also a very amazing organ that can regenerate itself very quickly - that is why one cycle including orals a year is all I run anymore
__________________
Originally Posted by Doink the clown;
"Every gym has the tard who never gets bigger,never shuts up,and never goes away!"


"If you say you are not afraid to die either your lying or your a Ghurka,"

"Amatures built the Ark - professionals built the Titanic."
Deacon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2005, 03:35 PM   #10
rado
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deacon
the liver is pretty important - but it is also a very amazing organ that can regenerate itself very quickly - that is why one cycle including orals a year is all I run anymore
Have you ran cycles with no orals before deacon? I'm sure you have, just wanted to know
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2005, 10:56 PM   #11
jyzza
Vet
 
jyzza's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: by the PC
Posts: 767
jyzza is on a distinguished road
nice post Rado.....its very important to get your tests done and keep an eye on your organs..u live only once....
__________________
* muj kochanie *
jyzza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2005, 11:14 PM   #12
rado
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by jyzza
nice post Rado.....its very important to get your tests done and keep an eye on your organs..u live only once....
Without a good healthy working liver, you may not live for a long time...We tend to forget our insides because we seem to be all caught up on the outside look....It's not hard to stay healthy, but it is hard to get rid of a sickness....
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2005, 07:44 PM   #13
Deacon
Vet
 
Deacon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Belleview Psych Ward RM 213
Posts: 3,686
Deacon is just really niceDeacon is just really niceDeacon is just really niceDeacon is just really nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deacon
the liver is pretty important - but it is also a very amazing organ that can regenerate itself very quickly - that is why one cycle including orals a year is all I run anymore

yes of course I have - I like that kick with orals though - its a great feeling
__________________
Originally Posted by Doink the clown;
"Every gym has the tard who never gets bigger,never shuts up,and never goes away!"


"If you say you are not afraid to die either your lying or your a Ghurka,"

"Amatures built the Ark - professionals built the Titanic."
Deacon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2005, 08:16 PM   #14
bigkarch
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
I do maybe two...my exwife use to take a large amount of rx meds, like xanax, vicodin, nuerontin etc...her liver values use to be high, but they continued the meds.....it can regenerate.... a few cycles per year...which is what I do, IMO wont hurt you..but I am no doc...
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2005, 09:45 AM   #15
satarules
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
good info
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:24 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.