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Old 04-30-2017, 06:14 PM   #1
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need help BAD guys......

ok ive tried to figure out how to get through this for a while and im running out of ideas....a lot of u guys know me and my situations over the past two years....i ran my first cycle about 4-5 years ago and basically cruised on test ever since with no pct.. the only 2 times i came off was last year and the year before for 5-6 months cold turkey,and not by choice..the first time i had no sex drive at all and jumped right back on test as soon as i came home...this last time i did the same but ran outta test 3 months ago and tried to run a 5 week nolva pct and still have zero sex drive..i dont know what to do...i was thinking of jumping back on test for 3 months then running a proper pct but im not sure that would help...can anyone please help me!!!!
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:16 PM   #2
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So whats your question? It sounds like you trashed your hpta by staying on for years at a time. Some people com off successfully after such a length of time. Some can not. But the ones that do .... It takes a long time to recover.

So for you.... Make a decision: It's either stay off and try to recover normal testosterone production. Or, jump on trt, either legit or self-medicated.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:53 PM   #3
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You better see an endo
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:05 PM   #4
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Right there! You're still young - don't fuck yourself more by going on again duh. An aggressive regimen of clomid & hcg will probably help, but let the endo determine that. Also as Dark said, it's gonna take a long time dude. You can't stay on for 5 fucking years and expect any less. Time to pay the piper now. And if you decide to run a future cycle after your shit is all back to norm, do NOT stay on forever geesh! Run a 12 eeeker like most do, then go off for 16 weeks. Clutch you're 30 ish dude, you don't need to be on trt like most guys in here 50+. Hell I'm 53 and STILL come off after cycle. Good luck amigo.
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what do u guys think an aggressive pct would look like?? nolva/clomid/hcg??
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what do u guys think an aggressive pct would look like?? nolva/clomid/hcg??
I like Dex over Nolva, but definitely clomid and hcg. Those are what will kick start your nads again.
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Don't use hcg you will fuck up your htpa even more. If I were you I would run clomid at 100mgs nolva at 50 for 3 weeks then 50 25 for another 3 weeks.
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Don't use hcg you will fuck up your htpa even more. If I were you I would run clomid at 100mgs nolva at 50 for 3 weeks then 50 25 for another 3 weeks.
I gotta question you on this. Are you suggesting no hcg due to length of being on? I was Dr. monitoring in the past and she would let me run as long as 12 weeks and then it was hcg and clomid. Admittedly I never used more than 600/week though.
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Then again, my other got 3 years in prison for dealing steroids. I guess that is why they call it "Practicing" medicine.
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I gotta question you on this. Are you suggesting no hcg due to length of being on? I was Dr. monitoring in the past and she would let me run as long as 12 weeks and then it was hcg and clomid. Admittedly I never used more than 600/week though.
hcg and clomid is standard treatment for infertility.
But hcg in itself can shut you down, also has been known to cause bitch tits. Best not to use if your htpa is already shut down. Hcg works best during a cycle to keep the boys from shrinking, stopping a few weeks before starting pct.
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This was written by one of the top male endo doctors in the country.

http://www.peak-muscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23656
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The doctor's pct protocol.

http://www.peak-muscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23997
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i agree that hcg can be supressive but he is already shut down hard. here is my advice.
stop all anabolics for a month and start hcg using it in spaced out low doses for 4-6 weeks you should notice size of testicles coming back to pre cycle sizes. at the same time start a protocol of aromasin (or adex if you cant find aromasin), nolvadex (or clomid or both at low doses, not nolva if you are using deca or any 19-nor anabolic), cialis, and do that for about 3 months. for dosages and reasoning with refrences look in this forum for my new post on pct. reduce dosages by half a couple of weeks before the end. then see if you are recovered.

now for other things. you are way too young for trt. this is what should be really called "psychologically addicted and on all the time"

on all the time is some bullshit and you will continue to have problems with body image etc. go see a counselor about this. this is just as serious as a girl with anorexia.

and lastly and most importantly rather than listen to me or anyone else Ozzy up there said go see a doctor. i agree. and come completely clean and tell him everything, just make sure you have no more felonious drugs in your possesion. this is not something to be playing around with.

you have issues son. if you dont address these issues you will not succeed in life
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the age at which you started AAS use has a bearing on recovery. If you started in your teens or even early 20s you have a lesser chance of recovery. If you started later your HPTA is well imprinted and recover is highly probable. The longer you use the longer it takes to recover. I have seen it take over a year to fully recov er. It took me over a year to recover after a few years of lots of deca and other stuff type cycing in my late 20s and thena gain after another 3 year stint in my 30s it took a year to recover. But recover I did into the 600s and went on to train naturally for 10 years. I can't tell you if you will recover or not. It takes time and it is not certain.

I did my recovery without PCT drugs those two times. Between cycles I often took 6 months off and used PCT and recovered into the mid 500s.
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two good points, how old are you and you might need to run my pct for longer than two months
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