Test, Deca, Dbol: The bulking cycle by 3J

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    Test, Deca, Dbol: The bulking cycle by 3J



    The purpose of this article is to educate the amateur bodybuilder on the correct set up of a powerful traditional bulking cycle; Test e, Deca, and Dbol. The use of Deca and Dbol has been long hailed as the mighty bulking cycle. Traditionally used as an off season cycle, the stack will do a wonderful job of adding muscle mass and letting the user come in at a heavier weight when reaching their goal body fat when cutting.


    TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE
    I have said it a million times before and I will say it again, testosterone is king. It is the foundation in which all cycles are built upon. Running any compound without the use of testosterone will leave you with hormone levels that are similar to a females. Testosterone Enanthate is a slower acting ester. With a 7 to 10 day half-life, it requires a less frequent dosing schedule to reach and maintain stable blood levels making it the better choice for beginner steroid users who may not be too fond of needles and do not want to do every day or every other day injections. Properly used, the injection schedule should be every 3.5 days on Monday and Thursday of the week. Dosages for testosterone enanthate range from a minimum of 400mg a week to 800mg a week for the average steroid user and cycles should be a minimum of 10 weeks due to the amount of time it takes to reach peak levels. More advanced users have been known to go over 1000mg a week, but one should be aware that it takes a lot of cycle experience to get to those levels. Longer estered testosterones like testosterone enanthate are known to cause more estrogen/aromatization side effects due to higher peak values over the course of the cycle. Proper AI/SERM precautions should be taken.

    DECA DURABOLIN
    Deca has been the go to compound for bulking in bodybuilding amongst steroid users for years. Deca is a 19-nor compound. Its made from the same cloth as trenbolone. Consequently, it also shares many of the same issues as Tren. Being a 19-nor, deca is liver toxic. It also does not aromatize very well, but will cause a rise in progestin levels. Due to its ability to rise progestin levels, deca is known for causing libido issues or “deca dick.” Proper progestin/anti-estrogen drugs should be used to make sure you keep you from experiencing libido issues. It also will shut down natural testotsterone almost immediately with the first dose. Deca has as strong affinity to the androgen receptor and does great as an anabolic; it will raise both nitrogen retention and igf levels. Water retention does become an issue on deca, but the proper progestin drugs should keep it at bay. Deca is also known to help joint issues by storing water in the connective tissues and improving collagen synthesis/mineral content. Some use the drug in low dosages such therapeutic effects. The recommended proper dosage for Deca is between 400-600mg a week. Though the ester connected to deca has a longer half life, its safe to inject deca on the same schedule as test e and c. In theory, deca can be injected once a week, but twice a week is the gold standard. Due to the highly suppressive nature of deca, its recommended that hcg be ran with the cycle.

    DIANABOL

    Dbol is traditionally found in pill form. Like winstrol, Dbol is a 17aa oral steroid. 17aa orals are made the way they are to survive the first pass at the liver. Unfortunately, this makes dbol highly liver toxic (almost as toxic as winny). Dbol will also cause hypertension (a raise in blood pressure) so proper monitoring of your blood pressure should be maintained. Dbol is not the best at binding with the androgen receptor and most its effects are secondary. Dbol will suppress natural testosterone production. Many who are new to steroid use will try to do a Dbol only cycle. When dbol suppresses your natural production your levels start looking more like a females. Therefore, it should always be ran in a cycle with testosterone as a base. Dbol is said to be as strong as anadrol, though most will not see the same effects due to unequal dosages. Dbol is known as a kick start compound in cycles. Its ability to add weight comes on quickly and many people use it in the first 6 weeks of their cycle. Dosages range from 20-100mg a day, though an amateur user should stick to under 50mg to start.



    The cycle:

    OK, lets set up a cycle for a first time user of these compounds combined. Keep in mind this isn’t a beginners cycle and stacking multiple compounds that you haven’t used in the same cycle may cause side effect and leave you wondering what the source of the issue was.


    Testosterone Enanthate 300mg twice a week Week 1-13

    Deca 200mg twice a week Week 1-12

    Dbol 30-50mg a day Week 1-6

    HCG 500iu a week (250iu twice a week) Week 1-15

    I would keep prami on hand or run it at low dosages of .25mg every night to keep prolactin in check


    PCT starts three weeks after final injection of deca 2 weeks after last test injection

    Clomid 100/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20
  • clutchitalian
    Registered User
    • Sep 2011
    • 1544

    #2
    best cycle i ever ran......

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    • TheMuscleMan
      Vet
      • Feb 2015
      • 205

      #3
      The second cycle I ever did was test e, deca, dbol. I put on 35lbs in 10 weeks. I was big and strong and I loved it. This is a cycle I would revert back to from time to time over the years when looking to get some size and weight fast, but now that I am around the weight I want to be I don't do it anymore.

      Thanks
      TMM
      themuscleman@anonymousspeech.com
      tmm@securenym.net

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      • clutchitalian
        Registered User
        • Sep 2011
        • 1544

        #4
        thats probably the most popular cycle on earth.......

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        • Dawgpound_Hank

          #5
          Definitely the meat & potatoes cycle of all. Deca put's some serious mass on me - ran it with test e at moderate doses and boom freaky mode after 12 weeks.

          Just curious about this statement: "Being a 19-nor, deca is liver toxic." Care to elaborate bro? Never heard of 19-nors specifically being liver toxic. On the contrary, I've always read that deca is more mild regarding issues like that. Now I've heard tren can be more kidney toxic than other compounds, but not deca.

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          • clutchitalian
            Registered User
            • Sep 2011
            • 1544

            #6
            IVE HEARD DECA IS MILD ALSO......

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            • 3J

              #7
              based on the studies ive read and my own experiences, deca does get hard on the liver.. yes, its also very hard on the kidenys but not as hard as tren

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              • ozzy69
                Assistant Admin
                • Jun 2011
                • 4820

                #8
                ^^^^^interesting.....I would be more concerned with the 100 migs of dbol you recommended, regarding liver toxicity, than the deca

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                • 3J

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ozzy69
                  ^^^^^interesting.....I would be more concerned with the 100 migs of dbol you recommended, regarding liver toxicity, than the deca
                  100mg? sorry where do you see 100mg?

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                  • ozzy69
                    Assistant Admin
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 4820

                    #10
                    Dosage range 20-100 mg second to last line in the dbol section

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                    • 3J

                      #11
                      Yes doses range that high for higher level guys, but that wasn't my recommended dosage

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                      • Glycomann

                        #12
                        3J I don't see anything in the literature or really anything out there in real life that indicates nandrolones are toxic. There is some shotty animal reseach in rodents at astronomical dosages and some cell culture work that shows toxicity but those studies are very poorly done. I ran the numbers on the rodent work for human equivamlents. You can do the same. I have posted the conversions around here somewhere. Yes ther is a pharmacokinetic conversion that is done and I did it. I am a Ph. D. chemist with experience in drugs and drug metabolism. The human equivalents in those studies were on the order of 5 grams a week and higher.

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                        • 3J

                          #13
                          Could you link me up Please?

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                          • Glycomann

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 3J
                            Could you link me up Please?
                            I don't have time right now but you are welcome to pubmed search it like the rest of us.

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                            • 3J

                              #15
                              Also, it seems you guys think I'm stating deca is some highly liver toxic compound.. I was just stating a fact.. Deca is liver toxic.. Lol.. Its not like im saying it's on the same level as winny lmao

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