HCG vs no HCG

[b52]

What are you guys opinions? I have run it in the past, and I have not run it.

I have used it with test 600mg/eq400mg/dbol30mg at 250iu e3d. Then igf during pct with clomid and nolva. I noticed my balls didn't really do anything to be honest. They stayed the same. I also seemed to recover pretty quickly. Strength seemed to stay where it was, and I didn't really lose any of my muscle which I think I can attribute to the igf.

I have also run test /deca @500mg/400mg without any hcg, no igf, and a simple pct of clomid and nolva. I noticed my balls did shrink some, and at the end of the cycle I only lost a little bit of strength, (negligible), and really not much size.

My question is who thinks it's necessary and who thinks it's unnecessary, and does a low dose go much farther than we would think. My buddy on trt is on a low dose of test cyp(200mg wk) and they prescribed him hcg at 35iu twice a week. If you were to double that, if you bumped the test dose up, it would only be 70 iu twice a week a difference of roughly 610iu than what I have used in the past.

What are you guys thoughts?

[Glycomann]

35 iu will do nothing. TRT docs use it in conjunction with replacement dose Testosterone at 250-500 iu twice a week. It helps keep the steroid synthetic pathways operational. That is a good thing even if you can't see a difference.

[jrod]

So, is it still beneficial if you do mild cycles twice a year? I would think that as long as you allow complete recovery between cycle, it's probably not necessary.

[Darkness]

I guess the bottom line is that if you want to recover faster, use the right dosage and there's really no down side.

If you're on trt long enough, you'll want to use it to solve problems you will develop should you not use it regularly a couple times a year for a month or so at a minimum, more often is better. Again, I really don't see the down side here if used at the right dose.

[liftsiron]

HCG should be used during the cycle 250 to 500 2-3 per week. Not used during pct.

[Dakota]

I had a Dr. several years ago instruct me to begin it in the last 2 weeks of a cycle and continue for 4 weeks post cycle. I was using 400 Test E, 250 Deca per week at the time. That was a heavy cycle for me. I never liked using a ton of gear. I always believed it was unnecessary, creates sides and a waste of money.

[TheMuscleMan]

I normally use hcg during every cycle big or small. I use it at 500ius every 5 days and it keeps me out of atrophy and my recovery time post cycle is much faster.

Thanks
TMM

[steelpreacher]

Dakota: Different Docs Different Opinions, but most Docs are now recommending something closer to what Lifts and Darkness have suggested.

[Dakota]

Dakota: Different Docs Different Opinions, but most Docs are now recommending something closer to what Lifts and Darkness have suggested.

It is funny how we depend on Drs and Science to give us great info and then years down the road they say "yeah, what we told you before is completely wrong".

That was at least 10 years back when I got that advice.

[bufbiker]

For me personally as the resident old fart, all it does for me is raise my estrogen. I'd rather do without it. Just my experience.

[BrutalHoney]

Started HCG a week and a half ago, balls are already feeling a little heavier.

[andrew0409]

I find prolong use over 4+ months kills my sex drive even with proviron. HCG seems to counter that.