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Old 10-16-2017, 02:50 PM   #1
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Test PhenylProp

So, as a guy prone to back pumps that really hold me back on leg day, and day-to-day living, I'm very interested in water retention. It seems like the longer the ester, the more bloat. (And orals, duh.) And it seems like the more bloat, the more back pump.

So I wonder if anyone has tried Test PP. I'm a fan of NPP, and I wouldn't mind doing them both if it allowed me to, you know, live normally, and do legs full throttle.

How's the PIP? How was it generally? Etc.
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Old 10-16-2017, 03:51 PM   #2
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PIP depends on who makes it, I used some TPP that was totally painless. An AI can eliminate all bloat from any test.
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:45 PM   #3
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Whaaaat? Please elaborate- because when I was blasting test-e and tren-e my back pumps were almost debilitating. And I took a good dose of a-sin.

(Or is bloat not the cause of back pumps? I figured it was since the more bloat you see with a compound, the worse the back pumps as well.)
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Old 10-16-2017, 05:28 PM   #4
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It's cramping, I don't think bloat has anything to do with it. Try 5 grams turine and 750mgs magniusum an hour or so before workouts. It may take a week or so to take effect.
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:49 PM   #5
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The only thing I found helpful was taurine + tums, and I did that 5-10x a day. Still was an issue, but deal-with-able.
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:39 AM   #6
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Could be total AAS dose related. The only times I got them were when my dose got too high. At one point I was on test and eq and added in some mast and I couldn't even walk 1/2 mile without wicked calf and back pumps that would stop me in my tracks. Dropped the dose down some and fixed.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:35 PM   #7
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Hmmm, so on that thought, maybe it's better to take smaller doses of the more potent stuff..?
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Old 10-18-2017, 07:25 AM   #8
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I'd have to ask about 10 questions to see where your at to suggest a plan to fix it. Probably the fix you might think to be counter productive. This is related to time on, how many red cells, how much intracellular water, how out of whack your mineral balance. Basically f you have a goal in mind at the moment like hitting a meet or pushing past a plateau then stay with what your doing and grin and bear it. But in the not so long run you're going to have to make some changes to fix this and avoid long tern issues.
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Old 10-18-2017, 02:19 PM   #9
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I'd have to ask about 10 questions to see where your at to suggest a plan to fix it. Probably the fix you might think to be counter productive. This is related to time on, how many red cells, how much intracellular water, how out of whack your mineral balance. Basically f you have a goal in mind at the moment like hitting a meet or pushing past a plateau then stay with what your doing and grin and bear it. But in the not so long run you're going to have to make some changes to fix this and avoid long tern issues.
Well, right now I'm off cycle and I have been for about... 6 months. I'm planning ahead, trying to avoid problems I've had in the past. Yeah, I want that progress, I have some goals to meet. But, one of them's putting about 75 more lbs, maybe 100 at this point, on the deadlift... it'd help to be able to work my back out more, you know?
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Old 10-22-2017, 08:54 PM   #10
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for me only dbol makes certain lifts impossible due to extreme back pumps.
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TPP is the nectar of the gods. Try it and I promise you will never look back.

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Love the stuff. All of my lifting/working out is geared towards on the mat performance, or "military style" strength and endurance. TPP causes no issues. No bloat, no loss of flexibility, range of motion, etc.
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