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This was posted by BigAndy69,who is very knowledgeable about the UG lab scene. It's a must-read:
Here's a little bit of information on how UG labs work, especially the Canadian UG scene.
I will not comment on any specific brands publicly. Sorry.
What does "lab" imply?
Many people do not have a basic understanding of how these labs operate.
The term "lab" plastered on a product implies that it is made in a large pharmaceutical facility. That's not the case. Anybody who claims this is full of shit(It is possible but very unlikely). Chances are it's not made in a multi-million dollar facility. A chemist is not going to risk his career and freedom by using legit lab facilities after hours for illegal activity. The money is not worth it.
There are many different possibilities but the most common method is to subcontract different chemists.
That's were the difference lies; in the skills and equipment a chemist has.
Some chemists are able to match the isomers of perservatives(Alcohol) and powders(steroids). This makes a much more stable solution. If they don't bother with this important detail, the solution can crash and the only way to mix it again is by adding a large amount of BA (Mexican gear is notorious for this as well as IP). There are many other skills like balancing BB/BA levels (BL is an expert at this). All these things that we don't even think of are factors in how good a product is.
Some chemists also have apartment room lab setups. A room is converted in a sterile environment. This is very rare as the equipment is extremely expensive in the mid 5 figure range. You also need the right hookups for the equipment.
So while a batch was made by a skilled chemist, another batch of the same product could be made by a college dropout in his parent's basement while watching old Seinfeld re-runs. There is only so many vials a chemist can pump out at a time. Ever wonder what the virtues of a 700 mg/ml enanthate are? None for the user, it's simply a way for a lab to come out with products faster. Also, the lot numbers on UG products don't mean anything.
The AS community is very tight and there are not that many chemists. Althought, you may have a couple dozen Canadian brands, most of the products come from the same guys. For example, Perutech and QFS Dbol/winny are made by the same organization.
Batch vs Batch
Tabs are usually made seperate of liquids as tab presses generate a LOT of heat(Think XTC). What I'm trying to get at is don't assume a lab's winny tabs are good because their Test Enanthate was good. Same goes with the injectables. "Oh, there prop was awesome, I'm sure there anavar will be great!" Not always true.
Some products are more likely to be underdosed or counterfeits/fakes, they are:
-Oxandrolone
-Trenbolone
-Masteron
-Primobolan and other exotic steroids
-Equipose (**In Canada, as Eq is liquid at room temperature and it's a more complicated process to get it into the country**)
The first time a legit lab starts out, the products are very good, because they had plenty of time to bring the powders in and people work at low cost. Once demand picks up, all hell breaks lose and they better be prepared. There's only so much raw material a lab can bring in and it's NEVER enough. All of a sudden, the chemists want double. They didn't exactly sign a legit contract outlining their salaries.
Cutting Corners
We need 2000 EQs ASAP but we only have raw materials for 1000. Well, you now have 100mg/ml labeled as 200mg/ml. 90% of labs will cut corners when the stress is on.
Be very wary of large brands that are never out of stock. That's what made Spectro so special in the earlier days. He didn't cut corners. I remember he was out of Eq for 2 months. It hurt him financially but he stuck to his core beliefs.
Here's a little bit of information on how UG labs work, especially the Canadian UG scene.
I will not comment on any specific brands publicly. Sorry.
What does "lab" imply?
Many people do not have a basic understanding of how these labs operate.
The term "lab" plastered on a product implies that it is made in a large pharmaceutical facility. That's not the case. Anybody who claims this is full of shit(It is possible but very unlikely). Chances are it's not made in a multi-million dollar facility. A chemist is not going to risk his career and freedom by using legit lab facilities after hours for illegal activity. The money is not worth it.
There are many different possibilities but the most common method is to subcontract different chemists.
That's were the difference lies; in the skills and equipment a chemist has.
Some chemists are able to match the isomers of perservatives(Alcohol) and powders(steroids). This makes a much more stable solution. If they don't bother with this important detail, the solution can crash and the only way to mix it again is by adding a large amount of BA (Mexican gear is notorious for this as well as IP). There are many other skills like balancing BB/BA levels (BL is an expert at this). All these things that we don't even think of are factors in how good a product is.
Some chemists also have apartment room lab setups. A room is converted in a sterile environment. This is very rare as the equipment is extremely expensive in the mid 5 figure range. You also need the right hookups for the equipment.
So while a batch was made by a skilled chemist, another batch of the same product could be made by a college dropout in his parent's basement while watching old Seinfeld re-runs. There is only so many vials a chemist can pump out at a time. Ever wonder what the virtues of a 700 mg/ml enanthate are? None for the user, it's simply a way for a lab to come out with products faster. Also, the lot numbers on UG products don't mean anything.
The AS community is very tight and there are not that many chemists. Althought, you may have a couple dozen Canadian brands, most of the products come from the same guys. For example, Perutech and QFS Dbol/winny are made by the same organization.
Batch vs Batch
Tabs are usually made seperate of liquids as tab presses generate a LOT of heat(Think XTC). What I'm trying to get at is don't assume a lab's winny tabs are good because their Test Enanthate was good. Same goes with the injectables. "Oh, there prop was awesome, I'm sure there anavar will be great!" Not always true.
Some products are more likely to be underdosed or counterfeits/fakes, they are:
-Oxandrolone
-Trenbolone
-Masteron
-Primobolan and other exotic steroids
-Equipose (**In Canada, as Eq is liquid at room temperature and it's a more complicated process to get it into the country**)
The first time a legit lab starts out, the products are very good, because they had plenty of time to bring the powders in and people work at low cost. Once demand picks up, all hell breaks lose and they better be prepared. There's only so much raw material a lab can bring in and it's NEVER enough. All of a sudden, the chemists want double. They didn't exactly sign a legit contract outlining their salaries.
Cutting Corners
We need 2000 EQs ASAP but we only have raw materials for 1000. Well, you now have 100mg/ml labeled as 200mg/ml. 90% of labs will cut corners when the stress is on.
Be very wary of large brands that are never out of stock. That's what made Spectro so special in the earlier days. He didn't cut corners. I remember he was out of Eq for 2 months. It hurt him financially but he stuck to his core beliefs.
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