Sub Q AAS

[Rebornlite]

I know many on TrT do sub q injects for test. Has anyone tried this with other compounds with success. Like a mast prop? What is the max amount of oil for this method before running into issues with absorption or discomfort?

[Puff88]

I dont do it. I researched it a little bit when I first started TRT but decided to just go IM. The few shots I've done that ended up going subq by mistake end up hurting like a b*tch for days. Couldn't imagine wanting to do that on purpose.

[Reboot]

Sub q? I wouldn't do it. I knew a guy a long time ago that was using the cremes with pretty good success. Eventually he stopped and started going with test IM.

[AlphaMale]

I use half inch slin pins to do shallow IM injects and it has worked very well for me over the years.
A true Sub Q inject only reaches the fatty layer and can inhibit absorption of the oils but if you oI’m somewhere that has a very narrow Sub Q layer, then the needle will penetrate beneath the fatty layer.
A true Sub Q inject is meant to go into the fatty layer but for PED purposes one would want to make the oil is dispersed underneath the Sub Q layer.
I know the conventional wisdom is to avoid pinning oils Sub Q but I pin 1/2” straight into my quads and delta and lots of different areas.
Up to one mL at a time is not enough to cause a lump. I pin daily using test/deca/mast prop and have had outstanding results.
It’s too easy to pin a small volume of oil daily with a slin pin...and for me it works just as well as IM.
I doubt I will ever go back to 1-1.5” IM injects ever again.
Or we could just hold a debate about who has the longest needle and how good it works.

[Rebornlite]

I use half inch slin pins to do shallow IM injects and it has worked very well for me over the years.
A true Sub Q inject only reaches the fatty layer and can inhibit absorption of the oils but if you oI’m somewhere that has a very narrow Sub Q layer, then the needle will penetrate beneath the fatty layer.
A true Sub Q inject is meant to go into the fatty layer but for PED purposes one would want to make the oil is dispersed underneath the Sub Q layer.
I know the conventional wisdom is to avoid pinning oils Sub Q but I pin 1/2” straight into my quads and delta and lots of different areas.
Up to one mL at a time is not enough to cause a lump. I pin daily using test/deca/mast prop and have had outstanding results.
It’s too easy to pin a small volume of oil daily with a slin pin...and for me it works just as well as IM.
I doubt I will ever go back to 1-1.5” IM injects ever again.
Or we could just hold a debate about who has the longest needle and how good it works.

Thanks for sharing your experience, exactly what I was looking for friend. Do you load all of the compounds into one slin for a single poke each day?

Now for my lazy question- how many iu's on slin equal 1ml?

Thanks again

[Rebornlite]

I dont do it. I researched it a little bit when I first started TRT but decided to just go IM. The few shots I've done that ended up going subq by mistake end up hurting like a b*tch for days. Couldn't imagine wanting to do that on purpose.

I still have a knot from a 2.5ml inject in my right glute that I fucked up a few weeks back. I hit that spot a ton of times with no issues, ended up I did inject way to fast and leaked out of muscle. Hurt like a bitch for nearly 2 weeks. Been taking it much slower with breaks and no issues since.

[jrod]

I use half inch slin pins to do shallow IM injects and it has worked very well for me over the years.
A true Sub Q inject only reaches the fatty layer and can inhibit absorption of the oils but if you oI’m somewhere that has a very narrow Sub Q layer, then the needle will penetrate beneath the fatty layer.
A true Sub Q inject is meant to go into the fatty layer but for PED purposes one would want to make the oil is dispersed underneath the Sub Q layer.
I know the conventional wisdom is to avoid pinning oils Sub Q but I pin 1/2” straight into my quads and delta and lots of different areas.
Up to one mL at a time is not enough to cause a lump. I pin daily using test/deca/mast prop and have had outstanding results.
It’s too easy to pin a small volume of oil daily with a slin pin...and for me it works just as well as IM.
I doubt I will ever go back to 1-1.5” IM injects ever again.
Or we could just hold a debate about who has the longest needle and how good it works.

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I do 1/2” 1 cc in shoulders, calves and smallish muscles
I don’t go any longer than 1” if I need to do more than 1-3cc, never had a problem with it and it seems so leave less scar tissue imo. 27g slin pin all day long!

[AlphaMale]

Thanks for sharing your experience, exactly what I was looking for friend. Do you load all of the compounds into one slin for a single poke each day?

Now for my lazy question- how many iu's on slin equal 1ml?

Thanks again

Yes, I use a single 1mL slin pin daily...and 100iu on the slin pin is equal to 1mL.

Also, I make sure to use 500mg/mL test so I only have to pull 15iu of test each day to equal approximately 1mL or 500mg per week.
I also regularly mix up to three different compounds into a single 1mL slin pin.

For example, if I pull just 15 iu Test E, 15iu Deca, 15iu Mast E every day, then that gives me 500mg/wk Test E...300mg/wk Deca...200mg/wk Mast E and I’m only filling 0.45mL per day in my slin pin.
So, by utilizing a half inch slin pin daily I can keep my oil volume per injection very low.
My gf used to complain about the lumps in my glutes and now I have no lumps whatsoever since I stopped inject 3mL at a time IM.
I find it much easier and super fast to inject such a small volume of oil daily and slin pins are cheap, too.
If the doses I am taking are too low for your liking, then it would be very easy to double up your doses and it would still only be less than 1mL total oil volume per day to inject.

Also, daily injections have kept my blood levels optimally stable resulting in better gains and fewer sides.

I know it goes against conventional bb’ng practice but I’ve been practicing for years with shallow 1/2” IM injections with a 28g slin pin and have just as favorable results as doing 1.5” IM injections.
Just make sure to inject in a lean part of your muscle.
I would never recommend injecting any oil into a fatty layer. It can get caught up the fatty tissue and creates a higher risk for abscess (infection).
One last word of advice...
It’s very important that your source is providing you with the thinnest of oils.
Makes it so much easier to inject without having to push the plunger hard.
Or even warming up the oils can help.
The lab I use is always thin and easy to draw, even the 500mg/mL Test is thin enough easily draw through a 28g needle.

[Dakota]

I tried it briefly when I went to TRT but didn't care for it. To me it seems like a lack of availability and the oil stayed there a long time. Maybe I am too fat!

For the life of me, I don't know how you get oil in a slin pin. Even UG oils that are thinner than Pharm don't pull up in a slin pin. Am I just to impatient?

I would be willing to give it a second go if I thought it would work. IM for as long as I have been around has it's draw backs. There is SO much scarring after the years.

[Reboot]

I've often used 27ga pins with very slow injections. I would heat the vial in hot water before drawing up in an 18g. A 27 will punch a smaller hole but yes, you're still going to get scar tissue. I've been told that the scar tissue can be messaged away? Sounds exhausting and painful.

[Rebornlite]

Yes, I use a single 1mL slin pin daily...and 100iu on the slin pin is equal to 1mL.

Also, I make sure to use 500mg/mL test so I only have to pull 15iu of test each day to equal approximately 1mL or 500mg per week.
I also regularly mix up to three different compounds into a single 1mL slin pin.

For example, if I pull just 15 iu Test E, 15iu Deca, 15iu Mast E every day, then that gives me 500mg/wk Test E...300mg/wk Deca...200mg/wk Mast E and I’m only filling 0.45mL per day in my slin pin.
So, by utilizing a half inch slin pin daily I can keep my oil volume per injection very low.
My gf used to complain about the lumps in my glutes and now I have no lumps whatsoever since I stopped inject 3mL at a time IM.
I find it much easier and super fast to inject such a small volume of oil daily and slin pins are cheap, too.
If the doses I am taking are too low for your liking, then it would be very easy to double up your doses and it would still only be less than 1mL total oil volume per day to inject.

Also, daily injections have kept my blood levels optimally stable resulting in better gains and fewer sides.

I know it goes against conventional bb’ng practice but I’ve been practicing for years with shallow 1/2” IM injections with a 28g slin pin and have just as favorable results as doing 1.5” IM injections.
Just make sure to inject in a lean part of your muscle.
I would never recommend injecting any oil into a fatty layer. It can get caught up the fatty tissue and creates a higher risk for abscess (infection).
One last word of advice...
It’s very important that your source is providing you with the thinnest of oils.
Makes it so much easier to inject without having to push the plunger hard.
Or even warming up the oils can help.
The lab I use is always thin and easy to draw, even the 500mg/mL Test is thin enough easily draw through a 28g needle.

Thanks for sharing your experience, great stuff! I have always used 1" 23g or 25g for IM injection and definitely have scare tissue in the glutes from years of pins. I recently worked quads into rotation successfully after a few pointers from board members here. I has such a bad experience with quad injects when I first started AAS and vouched never again, of course I was using 1.5" back then for all quad and glute injections which seemed to be the common advice when I started. I am fairly lean so I think I will give the 1/2" slin a try in my delt.

I use oils from a well respected source and it's slow pinning with 23g but no pip so all good. Not confident I will be able to draw the oil with my 28g slins, will give it a whirl I suppose.

Main reason I ask is that I am thinking about lowering Primo E dose last month of rmy cycle and adding mast prop for 4-6 weeks to finish out lean and hard.

[Rebornlite]

I tried it briefly when I went to TRT but didn't care for it. To me it seems like a lack of availability and the oil stayed there a long time. Maybe I am too fat!

For the life of me, I don't know how you get oil in a slin pin. Even UG oils that are thinner than Pharm don't pull up in a slin pin. Am I just to impatient?

I would be willing to give it a second go if I thought it would work. IM for as long as I have been around has it's draw backs. There is SO much scarring after the years.

"You're not fat, just big boned" lol

I tried pulling oil with my 23g cause have a shit ton and that took for_ev_er!
I said f it and I ordered a box of 18s for draw, I don't have all damn day! lol

I wonder if a mast base is an option , probably cripple my ass like the test base I was stupid enough to pin in my pecs and bis. Was the best pre-workout ever though!

[Rebornlite]

This
This and
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I do 1/2” 1 cc in shoulders, calves and smallish muscles
I don’t go any longer than 1” if I need to do more than 1-3cc, never had a problem with it and it seems so leave less scar tissue imo. 27g slin pin all day long!

I have never hit calves, how is that for you? You hit inside head?

[DRveejay11]

For the life of me, I don't know how you get oil in a slin pin. Even UG oils that are thinner than Pharm don't pull up in a slin pin. Am I just to impatient?

Back-fill.

Pull gear out of vial w 20g.
Remove slin pin / 29g plunger.
Load barrel of slin pin w oil.
Slowly reinsert plunger (*turn upside down after initial entry)
Done

Been doing SubC for 10 years.
**I limit to 1/2 cc per inject
Delts, chest, Quads, Tri’s
Too easy. So much less scar tissue.
Zero lumps.

I save abdominal and flank pins for peps and Gh
Not a fan of oils in these locations personally but lots
of people doing this w o incident. An entire TRT board
uses this practice.

Large volume injects - Glutes w a bigger pin

[Beef Newton]

I did it for a few years with Masteron and Primo but at very low doses. Still continue Prop daily. I never really had any issues with Mast or Primo and definitely got the benefits and sides with the former... was never all too sure of the latter. Had an injury and decided to just drop both to give myself a rest and to simplify things. Definitely improved my patience. Did seem to have issues with feeling E2 sides more and ended up having to tweak Arimidex. I seem to get the occasional lump from Prop but never really had it with the other two. When I say low dose, I mean 20mg of Mast P and 30mg of Primo daily subq. Probably wasted money on the Primo since it was so low, but the intent in using was the anticatabolic effect. I only ever intended to give myself an edge. I do not do well with normal dosing.