Winstrol - Couple Q's

[Puff88]

Bros -

Just finishing up a mild anavar run and thoroughly happy with my results. Ran 25mg per day for 10 weeks alongside 250 mg per week Test E. Nice solid strength and muscle gains. Weight gain on scale was minimal but body recomp on this cycle makes it appear I gained even more weight in all the right places. Anyways, just letting you know I had some solid success : )

Planning on running a small winstrol cycle sometime around mid/end of August for about 5 weeks. The plan is 25mg per day. I know some may say that is not enough but that is my plan as far as dosage is concerned. It will be run alongside 200mg Test E and the goal is to maintain weight while reducing some body fat, looking for minor strength gains while in somewhat of a deficit. Lean out, increase vascularity.

I know that winstrol tends to be a bit harsh on some blood levels. Somewhere around the same time I plan on being on cycle I will also be due to schedule bloodwork for my doctor. Wondering approximately, how many weeks post cycle will it take for those blood levels to return to normal and not be red flags on my bloodwork? Just trying to time out the cycle and the bloodwork appropriately.

Another question, which I know is going to be viewed as a dumb question but will give it a go anyway, is how would you compare maintaining your gains from anavar compared to winstrol after you come off? I know each compound has different post cycle effects as far as your ability to maintain the gains from them, such as certain drugs where the gains are primarily all water weight and bloat will pretty much all fade off post cycle, and others who have said that anavar gains are relatively easy to keep when you come off. I know that the primary driver in anyones ability to keep their gains comes down to their diet and their training. But we all know that gains from different drugs differ one to the next as far as the "type" of gain you experienced while on. So for those with experience, how do you feel your ability to maintain your anavar gains post cycle compare to keeping gains from a winstrol cycle post cycle?

[HDH]

I can't answer on the winny bloods question so I'll leave it to someone that can answer it correctly.

Since neither var nor winny aromatize, there shouldn't be any difference in keeping gains. Water gain isn't an issue.

Diet and training are the answer, I like to keep my protein a little higher when cutting.

[Puff88]

Thanks my man, appreciate your response.

That was another question I had - I usually will run a low dose AI once my test gets over 200mg/wk. Just to assist with some bloat an anxiety. Ideally I would like to not use one during the Winstrol cycle, as I am pretty prone to body aches, knee & back pain, and tendonitis in my hand which I know all can be aggravated with Winstrol so don't want to add to the dryness with running arimidex or aromasin as well. If I am typically ok with 200mg of test in terms of estrogen, would adding the winstrol be any reason to still keep an eye on estrogen related sides or is the conversion/aromatization really that minimal to non-existant?

[Kluso]

Thanks my man, appreciate your response.

That was another question I had - I usually will run a low dose AI once my test gets over 200mg/wk. Just to assist with some bloat an anxiety. Ideally I would like to not use one during the Winstrol cycle, as I am pretty prone to body aches, knee & back pain, and tendonitis in my hand which I know all can be aggravated with Winstrol so don't want to add to the dryness with running arimidex or aromasin as well. If I am typically ok with 200mg of test in terms of estrogen, would adding the winstrol be any reason to still keep an eye on estrogen related sides or is the conversion/aromatization really that minimal to non-existant?

Winstrol is actually going to have some estrogen suppression effects. Similar to mast or proviron. Just not as strong an effect as those. You shouldn’t need an AI. I concur.

Now are you on trt now or are you dropping the test also at end of these cycles. Is the Dr looking at hormone levels on these blood tests or is it just liver enzymes that you are concerned with?

[Puff88]

On TRT. Doc will test hormone and lipids.

[AlphaMale]

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[Kluso]

On TRT. Doc will test hormone and lipids.

Lipids are cholesterol right? He’s not checking liver enzymes? I would give it four weeks to be on safe side. Everything should be back to normal by then. Especially on those low doses.

[AlphaMale]

Typically, your doctor would check LDL/HDL (lipids) and ALT/AST (liver function).
Those are the two labs most likely affected by winny and anavar.
Also, those two can raise your creatine levels, resulting in a temporarily high GFR (kidney function) which can result in a false positive interpretation for kidney disease.

[kriegernindo]

Typically, your doctor would check LDL/HDL (lipids) and ALT/AST (liver function).
Those are the two labs most likely affected by winny and anavar.
Also, those two can raise your creatine levels, resulting in a temporarily high GFR (kidney function) which can result in a false positive interpretation for kidney disease.

A high GFR is actually most desirable the higher the better, I assume you meant to say a low GFR from it could result in a false positive for kidney disease...

[AlphaMale]

A high GFR is actually most desirable the higher the better, I assume you meant to say a low GFR from it could result in a false positive for kidney disease...

Correct, the scale for kidney disease goes from high to low numbers wise.
My last labs I was using anavar and it completely messed up my lipids and it also lowered my GFR to give a false positive for advanced kidney disease.
My doc did my labs again a few months later and everything was back to normal.

[kriegernindo]

Excellent. The body is so amazing. Awesome to hear that your numbers went back up so quickly. Intelligent cycles are the best!

[Deacon]

sadly winnie doesnt do much for me

[Darkness]

Winstrol will invert a mans lipid panel about as a bad any oral. Trashes it.

I like it. It puts ten quality pounds on me and makes me look 25 pounds heavier. Hits me harder from an anabolic perspective than most guys I believe.

[JDUB]

Never ran it...was always scared of the joint issues that seemed to surround it.

[Puff88]

Couple other questions:

Supplements - What supplements are best to be ran alongside winstrol to help combat some of the joint and tendon pain?

Injuries - I know many warn of injuries while running winstrol, specifically on joints and tendons. What are some best precautions to take and things to look out for? Avoid extra heavy lifitng, no pr's while on it? Or more along the lines of reducing time under tension during each set, not pushing it too far in rep count? I already know i wont be running while i am on it, as i already deal with knee and tendon issues in my legs from years of running outdoors.

Dose timing - I am leaning toward first thing in the am, which would also be pre workout for me. Does winstrol deliver a benefit pre workout like anavar does? Or does timing not so much matter?