Short vs Long Esters

[Kluso]

So I have been on the dark side maybe 10 years now. Probably not even that long honestly. I never liked the idea of short esters because you have to pin more frequently and they contain less mg per ml. I finally gave them a ‘shot’ this year. What has me disappointed the most is the fact it still takes 4 weeks before you really start noticing weight/size increase. Wtf? I was hoping I could get away with running short 6 week cycles. 6 on 6 trt, repeat. But I’m not seeing any real results until week 4, just like long esters. Lame! I figured it would be healthier and I could maybe make better progress overall with shorter time off. But still fallowing the time on=time off rule. I’m on my second 6 week cycle and it’s same as last with different compounds. The only benefit i see know is shorter clearance but is it really worth it? I’m pinning twice as much oil now too. Have you guys had similar experiences? What’s your opinion? Which do you prefer, long or short esters, and why?

[liftsiron]

I like long esters and IMO short 4-6 week cycles are a waste of time.

[Kluso]

I like long esters and IMO short 4-6 week cycles are a waste of time.

I am coming to that conclusion myself. Have you tried short cycles before on short esters? Whats the shortest cycle you have ran that you were happy with?There’s definitely no point in using long esters for a short cycle. You would pin for one or two weeks and the rest of the cycle would be letting the long esters clear. Four weeks is definitely too short for a cycle. I have seen guys do 8 weeks with short esters. Was hoping 6 would be enough. I’m only looking for small improvements at this point. I feel like my physique is pretty much maxed out with my genetics at my age.

[HDH]

I've always been fond of the long esters. I actually prefer the higher mg/ml brews. If I run short esters I'd rather use slin pins. They are easy enough to fill. The pins I use you can pull the plunger slightly past the stopping point and they will stay. Hang the vial upside down with the pin in it and it will fill itself.

If you go with a shorter cycle and use short esters maybe run a no ester or oral at the beginning for faster results.

[Deacon]

I like long esters and IMO short 4-6 week cycles are a waste of time.

i have to agree - short cycles are not going to benefit you as much as a well thought out long cycle of 12 weeks
long or short esters i really do not see the difference except for the extra pinning

[Beef Newton]

I've always been fond of the long esters. I actually prefer the higher mg/ml brews. If I run short esters I'd rather use slin pins. They are easy enough to fill. The pins I use you can pull the plunger slightly past the stopping point and they will stay. Hang the vial upside down with the pin in it and it will fill itself.

If you go with a shorter cycle and use short esters maybe run a no ester or oral at the beginning for faster results.

This is what I do! Which syringes do you use? I use BD, and they always come just short of 100 units when I do the first pull-back so they can fill. I've also had the syringes drop out as their weight increases, so I've now got this weird system of tongs with rubber bands on them to hold the vial and syringe inverted right above a flat surface.

[HDH]

This is what I do! Which syringes do you use? I use BD, and they always come just short of 100 units when I do the first pull-back so they can fill. I've also had the syringes drop out as their weight increases, so I've now got this weird system of tongs with rubber bands on them to hold the vial and syringe inverted right above a flat surface.

I've been using the excel slins. If you put extra air in the vial it will push out the full 100+ units

The lower the vial gets, the more extra air you will need.

I slightly open a drawer and hang it in the crack like it shows in the pic. I'm injecting moderate and long esters (enan/bold/deca) but I still use the drawer. The pick shows a 3ml 25g.

For the regular pin (3ml), I inject extra air as well but start with the plunger in. The pressure in the vial makes it fill itself. That would probably work with the slin as well.

Yes on the weight of the pins making them fall out. The 25g isn't as bad as the slin, the larger gauge holds better but will fall out. I can tell right away now if they are going to stay or not.

What works for me is to not aim for the center with every inject. I do a little circle pattern so it's a new hole every time. Using the same spot weakens the rubber and makes it easier to fall out

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[Kluso]

That’s slick!

[A.B]

I’ve done both and just hate injecting. It actually boggles my mind to think how much I’ve pinned in my life from anabolics, peptides, hgh etc

Muscle takes time to build and although there are benefits of short ester for specific drug benefits and clearance times I just prefer long ester- once a week injections for me- usually eq and test blend of 400mg per cc

[jrod]

I’m currently microdosing daily with tren A and omna using slin pins.
Same here, it took about four weeks to see real noticeable gains.
I’m on week 6. Once I finish I will replace the tren with eq and var with a little proviron and run that for 14-16 weeks and see how it’s doing.
I definitely hate pinning ed even if it is only .5cc with a slin pin.

If I’m not mistaken, I think Glyco likes running short 6-8 week cycles.

[Roughrydr]

I love the fast results of short esters but over the long term pinning end is just not sustainable. Long esters for me any more

[Kluso]

I love the fast results of short esters but over the long term pinning end is just not sustainable. Long esters for me any more

So u did notice faster results with short esters? Like how much faster approx?

[Roughrydr]

2 to 3 days as opposed to two and a half to three weeks.

[Kluso]

2 to 3 days as opposed to two and a half to three weeks.

Well wtf am I doing wrong. Lol. I mean I feel it in like a day or two. But I feel it in a day or two on long esters. I just don’t see any gains for weeks on either so far. Not fair! Lol

[Dawgpound_Hank]

I’ve done both and just hate injecting. It actually boggles my mind to think how much I’ve pinned in my life from anabolics, peptides, hgh etc

Muscle takes time to build and although there are benefits of short ester for specific drug benefits and clearance times I just prefer long ester- once a week injections for me- usually eq and test blend of 400mg per cc

Brother you and I are the same! I too hate injecting often. Now if it's something like GH I don't mind bcoz a sub-q slin shot is easy peezy haha. But with OILS, forget about it, once a week I'm good. Usual cycle for me these past years has been 500mg test e/c once ew, with a light oral like var or tbol to kick start.