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  • John Benz
    Vet
    • Jan 2004
    • 3208

    #31
    Vince Gironda always went against the norm, but when top pros needed help 30 years ago, he's the one man they sought out to push them past barriers. He trained Larry Scott,
    Dave Draper, Lou Ferrigno and Arnold Swarzennegger. He was firmly opposed to going below parallel on the squat, insisting that going further did nothing extra for the quads, but gave male trainers wide hips like a woman. He further insisted the front squat isolated the thigh from the glute much more than rear squats. IMO, he was far ahead of his time invented the abdominal crunch, and was the very first person to preach low carb/high fat diets and one bodypart per day/low volume/heavy weight routines for mass. He recommended women squatting should go down to chair level (half squat) to prevent huge glutes and hips.

    Funny thing is that many of the pros, including Jay Cutler and Bob Ciccherillo have swithched away from squats to leg press etc in an attempt to reduce both waist and hip size.

    Below are some of Gironda's squat tips in opposition to information one of his clients found in a book.

    "All you will get from the regular back squat is a big fat ass, and who needs that!" - Vince Gironda

    "My regular leg routine consisted of 10 sets of 10 reps with 300 pounds (on toes) in 10 minutes. I have also performed 700 pound hack squats! I have also done sissy squats with 275 pounds! I recently destroyed a guy on the roman chair who claimed to squat with 700 pounds! He couldn't walk for three days. By the way, who did Stuart McRobert ever train? Chuck, your problem is listening to these self-styled experts! There are hundreds of them out there!

    Sissy Squat Technique

    Stand in an upright vertical posture next to a stationary post, power rack or chair, etc. With a slight absence of knee lock, place your feet approximately 12 to 18 inches apart, with heels inward and toes rotated out laterally, just slightly. Vince Gironda says the feet should be 13" apart and the knees 17" wide.

    To maintain a perfect balance in this "fire-bombing" quadriceps exercise, lightly grasp hold of the stationary post, etc. with one hand.

    Now, with just your own bodyweight, rise up on your toes or, if you wish, place your heels on a 4" x 4" block of wood. Lean your upper torso backward (approximately 45 degrees from vertical) until you feel a maximum stretch contraction in the quads, especially just above the knees. Your upper torso and thighs will be in alignment with one another if you have done this correctly.

    While maintaining this inclined, lying back position (you will basically be at a 45-degree angle to horizontal position), slowly lower your body by bending your knees, allowing them to thrust forward. Allow the upper torso and thighs to descend to where the shoulders are directly over the heels and beyond. Do not relax at this point. Keep continuous tension on the quads by doing a smooth direction reversal at the bottom of the negative stretch (approximately parallel to the floor) phase by straightening your quads and driving your hips forward till you are once again at the non-lock starting point. Remember, as you come up, to push off on your heels while pulling the front part of your foot up off the floor.

    Begin the next rep immediately. With absolutely no pausing, continue until you have completed 12 to 15 maxi-pump reps in nonstop, nonlock style.

    It is a very good idea to practice the sissy squats with just your own bodyweight until it becomes a natural movement. There is a saying, "Practice makes perfect." I prefer to take it one step further and say, "Perfect practice makes perfect." This makes sense because, if you practice the Sissy squat or any other exercise for that matter, using sloppy form, you will never develop a precision technique.

    Once you have mastered a precision technique with your own bodyweight you can begin to use extra weight in the form of a cast iron plate or a dumbbell or dumbbells. Of the three options, the loose plate is the easiest to accommodate because all you have to do is hold it securely against your chest with your free hand while maintaining perfect balance with the other. Holding a barbell (as in a Front squat position) or holding dumbbells hanging at your sides does not allow for the degree of leaning back you achieved with your bodyweight alone. The reason is that your balance is compromised because your hands are not free to assist you. This is a very minor obstacle to overcome. You can attach a 4-6 foot length of 1⁄2" rope securely around your waist (or tie it to the front of your lifting belt, directly in the center) then tie the other end of the rope at chest level to a stationary post. This will free up your hands so that you can use the barbell or dumbbells, and at the same time allow you to maintain the proper inclined layback position - and with perfect balance." - Vince Gironda

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    • Dawgpound_Hank

      #32
      Originally posted by DRveejay11
      To a degree, this is no different than the black man's high calf insertions issue. An "obnoxious bubble butt" development is predicated largely upon genetics. Some black dudes could donkey raise a few cars stacked on each other but are stuck with 16 inch calves (or smaller).

      I couldn't get a huge ass if I tried. So, ass to floor squats might add some ass-mass but nothing too extreme/discernable for me.
      This is merely one more "based on individual response" issue. Some people have naturally huge calves, some have flat asses, some chicks have perfect bubble butts and eat McDonald's every day, some chicks have tons of fat receptors on the ass and thighs (even the calves) while some chicks have chicken legs and belly fat. You know the drill, the extent at which your ass will balloon to a ridiculous porpotion is largely based on genetics/predisposition and ignorant training to a degree (if you have an unbalanced ass, quit doing ass squats!)

      The second issue of knee involvement/stress, is a biomechanical and dynamics one although, like anything, there is a genetic component as well. It's inarguable that a larger amount of stress accompanies the ass-to-floor variation. This is simple physics.

      At the end of the day, IF this poses a substantial threat for one person and not another is simply "bodybuiling" in general isn't it? Like anything else, trial and error will yield an answer for you, the INDIVIDUAL.
      I dont do concentration curls anymore bcoz I don't want too much peak.

      LOL...j/k...good shit as always Doc!

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      • Dawgpound_Hank

        #33
        Originally posted by Sadie
        here is what happens with my leg split.. the first pic is sept 9th the 2nd was yesterday




        i suddenly have a sweep and 2 inch gain on my quads in 2 months.. they are REALLY responding
        KILLA gains!

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        • Sadie

          #34
          thanks i suddenly have a sweep lol sometimes it just takes a little tweak to things for the gains to actually happen.. i have been beating the shit out of my legs for yrs and its this split that makes the difference lol took long enough huh hehe

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          • Valkyrie
            Registered User
            • Oct 2008
            • 506

            #35
            sadie has white bush

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            • ZERKER

              #36
              Originally posted by Valkyrie
              sadie has white bush

              Hmmmm............Z...yeh go ahead Valk tell me how u really feel cuz..........Z

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              • Lokedogg
                Vet
                • Jan 2008
                • 1113

                #37
                Originally posted by ZERKER
                Hmmmm............Z...yeh go ahead Valk tell me how u really feel cuz..........Z
                Well well well......... Whadda we got he- ah? Looks like we be gots'n fecal matta lookin fo a punch bowl to floats himself ... in yes indeedy. Hahahahahah dat ol Blue Debil an dat Nocturnaldude's cuz'n- Zucka fish. The sewers overflowing these days spittin out shit. Comin back hopped up cumdrunk gettin defensive. Here boy! whistle whistle whistle unnnnnzzzzzziippppp.........come and get this bone ! Ahahahahahah

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                • ZERKER

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Lokedogg
                  Well well well......... Whadda we got he- ah? Looks like we be gots'n fecal matta lookin fo a punch bowl to floats himself ... in yes indeedy. Hahahahahah dat ol Blue Debil an dat Nocturnaldude's cuz'n- Zucka fish. The sewers overflowing these days spittin out shit. Comin back hopped up cumdrunk gettin defensive. Here boy! whistle whistle whistle unnnnnzzzzzziippppp.........come and get this bone ! Ahahahahahah
                  LOL...sorry bout your luck,i dont swing that way...Now u really should show more Christmas spirit and learn to realease your anger in other ways than towards members of the board,im a changed man....i no longer bicker on the internet....but if u like go ahead and fire away at me......ill sit back and watch the show.....haha...........Z

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                  • Sadie

                    #39
                    wtf is wrong with u 2? grow the hell up already.. u dont get along.. WE GET IT.. try ignoring each other then? can you atleast take your bitch fight to PMs or something so you can both spare the rest of us?

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                    • Lokedogg
                      Vet
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 1113

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sadie
                      wtf is wrong with u 2? grow the hell up already.. u dont get along.. WE GET IT.. try ignoring each other then? can you atleast take your bitch fight to PMs or something so you can both spare the rest of us?
                      Hey all u gotta do is not read it and fucking presto! You are spared!!! Besides that fact, he's not fighting dude.

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                      • Sadie

                        #41
                        fine i wont and im sure if this continues one or both of you will be banned anyway.. there are like 5 active members on this board and 2 are constantly at each others throats.. its the internet guys.. relax..

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                        • ZERKER

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Sadie
                          wtf is wrong with u 2? grow the hell up already.. u dont get along.. WE GET IT.. try ignoring each other then? can you atleast take your bitch fight to PMs or something so you can both spare the rest of us?
                          Fighting?...Bitching,,,no fight here,as i stated in my post,i simply responded to his post....i and i dont internet fight anymore,i fucking got my life to live...u have a good day there Sadie............Z

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                          • ZERKER

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Sadie
                            fine i wont and im sure if this continues one or both of you will be banned anyway.. there are like 5 active members on this board and 2 are constantly at each others throats.. its the internet guys.. relax..
                            Exactly,as u stated its the Internet Sadie,Im a changed man,i dont take the Internet seriously,im learning to manage my Anger issues,one not taking Internet shit personal....maybe u having a bad day?.....................Z

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                            • John Benz
                              Vet
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 3208

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ZERKER
                              LOL...sorry bout your luck,i dont swing that way...Now u really should show more Christmas spirit and learn to realease your anger in other ways than towards members of the board,im a changed man....i no longer bicker on the internet....but if u like go ahead and fire away at me......ill sit back and watch the show.....haha...........Z
                              Z, it's good to have you back and taking the high road here. Before you started drinking, you were a very popular member. Glad to see the old ZERKER back once more. Hope you had a happy Thanksgiving and hope you're doing well.


                              -JB-

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                              • Lokedogg
                                Vet
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 1113

                                #45
                                Originally posted by John Benz
                                Z, it's good to have you back and taking the high road here. Before you started drinking, you were a very popular member. Glad to see the old ZERKER back once more. Hope you had a happy Thanksgiving and hope you're doing well.


                                -JB-
                                It used to be that way with me. I never had any beef with him even when we didn't agree. Wasn't till he started all that crazy bullshit threats & idiocy that I developed a big problem. But if he's done with that shit , there's nothing for me to have a problem over. I think Sadies real problem is she wants people to talk about her picture. And that can't very well be happening if the thread's being hijacked with flames. So one of you guys better throw in some sort of compliment real fast-like. Hahaaha

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