dorian yates philosophy

[makaveli25]

I was reading the new issue of md this month and Dorian yates has his own monthly section in there. I really like reading his articles. Well this month was about his training. He said he never trained more than 2 days in a row.. He would do one warm up set and then like 2 sets with high weight very low reps.. I just dont see how you can really build with that low of volume. His workouts on paper dont seem that difficulult. Me and my buds train like 5-6 days a week just cause we have soo much love for being at the gym. I was thinking about trying his style for awhile though. Workout like 3 times a week very high weight low reps low volume. What do you bros think about this

 

[GetBigger]

i think its a great idea i luv low volume. you just gotta give everything you have on those very few worksets.

 

[mrhtbd]

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[Lokedogg]

I could see most getting fat and strong but not doing this and having a good phsyque imo. I have done a similar way and was on shitloads of tren test gh igf1 dbol etc., and looked large and lean. Natty - strong & fat.

 

[makaveli25]

He was one of the first bros ive read that got into slin.

 

[Thate]

while volume was low the workouts were very intense, check out his video blood and guts.

 

[Dawgpound_Hank]

While Yates did low volume, as Thate said, his intensity was the key. He regularly made use of forced reps, negatives and rest pause. Yates's rep ranges was 6-8 for upperbody and 10-12 for legs....he stated he grew best with that range. Many dont realize that Yates did do feel-sets/warmup sets on his heavy, compound movements...although he still tore muscles as mrhtbd stated due to going heavy always. However, Yates usually only talked about his "work sets", so people misconstrued his work sets for total sets...big difference.

Example...Yates on incline barbell: 135 x 15, 225 x 8, 315 x 8, 405 x 6...his last set with 405 was the only set that he busted ass on, hence, 1 WORKSET...the only set that you HEAR about. But notice how he pyramidded up. Its important to realize that, as many have the wrong idea and thinks he just did 1 warmup set even on the heavy basics and then boom, go heavy...NOT. Thats an easy way to get hurt!

Actually, Yates whole scheme was nothing really so unorthodox when you factor in the TOTAL sets he did and not just the work-sets. He just busted ass harder than most, did less and rested more. Heres another example that shows how the average Joe can be misled and end up getting injured due to naive ignorance:

Yates chest day:
incline bb press: 15, 8, 8, 6*
flat hammer strength press: 10, 6*
incline db flyes: 10, 8*
cable crossovers: 10*
* = worksets

You see the WORKSETS there is only 4(the sets you hear about )...however, TOTAL sets is 9. People only discussed Yates worksets, so the average Joe might think "WOW I do 4 sets only"...SO Joe knocks out ONLY 1 warmup set with 135 on incline then jumps right to 315 and BOOM...popped pec...nigga didnt warmup enuff as he had set in his brain "4 sets". So its very important to distinguish and acknowledge that Yates DID do warmup/feel-sets.

Hope that helps

 

[Lokedogg]

While Yates did low volume, as Thate said, his intensity was the key. He regularly made use of forced reps, negatives and rest pause. Yates's rep ranges was 6-8 for upperbody and 10-12 for legs....he stated he grew best with that range. Many dont realize that Yates did do feel-sets/warmup sets on his heavy, compound movements...although he still tore muscles as mrhtbd stated due to going heavy always. However, Yates usually only talked about his "work sets", so people misconstrued his work sets for total sets...big difference.

Example...Yates on incline barbell: 135 x 15, 225 x 8, 315 x 8, 405 x 6...his last set with 405 was the only set that he busted ass on, hence, 1 WORKSET...the only set that you HEAR about. But notice how he pyramidded up. Its important to realize that, as many have the wrong idea and thinks he just did 1 warmup set even on the heavy basics and then boom, go heavy...NOT. Thats an easy way to get hurt!

Actually, Yates whole scheme was nothing really so unorthodox when you factor in the TOTAL sets he did and not just the work-sets. He just busted ass harder than most, did less and rested more. Heres another example that shows how the average Joe can be misled and end up getting injured due to naive ignorance:

Yates chest day:
incline bb press: 15, 8, 8, 6*
flat hammer strength press: 10, 6*
incline db flyes: 10, 8*
cable crossovers: 10*
* = worksets

You see the WORKSETS there is only 4(the sets you hear about )...however, TOTAL sets is 9. People only discussed Yates worksets, so the average Joe might think "WOW I do 4 sets only"...SO Joe knocks out ONLY 1 warmup set with 135 on incline then jumps right to 315 and BOOM...popped pec...nigga didnt warmup enuff as he had set in his brain "4 sets". So its very important to distinguish and acknowledge that Yates DID do warmup/feel-sets.

Hope that helps

Well that's a whole different deal altogether. Nothing in that is unusual or unique.

 

[BigSickD]

A few years back Chris Cormier was flying over to England to train with Dorian for the Mr.O, Yates had already retired, but people still would fly over to train with him, others did as well, he was just that motivating and could really get the most out of whoever. Unfortunately, Chris ended up in the hospital in New York with a spinal cord infection and never got to go. I remember talking to him on the phone while he was in the hospital and he was so bummed about not making it to England.

 

[OLYMPIAN]

I could see most getting fat and strong but not doing this and having a good phsyque imo. I have done a similar way and was on shitloads of tren test gh igf1 dbol etc., and looked large and lean. Natty - strong & fat.

being fat has to do more with your diet and/or cardio program or lack of.. not your type of training....of course since your training is low volume you'll be burning less cals but if your diet diet is on point and youre doing your cardio you have nothing to fear..with that being said..i prefer a bit more of volume.


DPH, we only hear about his last set because that was the only set he took to complete failure..the other sets might look heavy enough for ohers to achieve growth but to him those were easy warms ups , no sweat

when he moved from incline to hammer press the "first set" of 10 it was even a set it was just to feel the exercise - a different movement..

i also think what caused him most of his injuries was going past - beyond failure, aka forced reps, cheating reps ,negatives.once you reach failure ,thats it.,,there is no need to over stress the muscle imo

 

[makaveli25]

A few years back Chris Cormier was flying over to England to train with Dorian for the Mr.O, Yates had already retired, but people still would fly over to train with him, others did as well, he was just that motivating and could really get the most out of whoever. Unfortunately, Chris ended up in the hospital in New York with a spinal cord infection and never got to go. I remember talking to him on the phone while he was in the hospital and he was so bummed about not making it to England.

sweet you know any other pros

 

[makaveli25]

thanks for the info

While Yates did low volume, as Thate said, his intensity was the key. He regularly made use of forced reps, negatives and rest pause. Yates's rep ranges was 6-8 for upperbody and 10-12 for legs....he stated he grew best with that range. Many dont realize that Yates did do feel-sets/warmup sets on his heavy, compound movements...although he still tore muscles as mrhtbd stated due to going heavy always. However, Yates usually only talked about his "work sets", so people misconstrued his work sets for total sets...big difference.

Example...Yates on incline barbell: 135 x 15, 225 x 8, 315 x 8, 405 x 6...his last set with 405 was the only set that he busted ass on, hence, 1 WORKSET...the only set that you HEAR about. But notice how he pyramidded up. Its important to realize that, as many have the wrong idea and thinks he just did 1 warmup set even on the heavy basics and then boom, go heavy...NOT. Thats an easy way to get hurt!

Actually, Yates whole scheme was nothing really so unorthodox when you factor in the TOTAL sets he did and not just the work-sets. He just busted ass harder than most, did less and rested more. Heres another example that shows how the average Joe can be misled and end up getting injured due to naive ignorance:

Yates chest day:
incline bb press: 15, 8, 8, 6*
flat hammer strength press: 10, 6*
incline db flyes: 10, 8*
cable crossovers: 10*
* = worksets

You see the WORKSETS there is only 4(the sets you hear about )...however, TOTAL sets is 9. People only discussed Yates worksets, so the average Joe might think "WOW I do 4 sets only"...SO Joe knocks out ONLY 1 warmup set with 135 on incline then jumps right to 315 and BOOM...popped pec...nigga didnt warmup enuff as he had set in his brain "4 sets". So its very important to distinguish and acknowledge that Yates DID do warmup/feel-sets.

Hope that helps

 

[BigSickD]

sweet you know any other pros

HAHA, most that I use to talk to I haven't in many years. I still stay in contact with Cormier but haven't talked to him in awhile. World Harris is a cool mofo and I use to hang with him before he turned pro mostly and most of the Cali Pro's. I don't go to shows anymore or am in that scene so really have nothing in common with them to "hang" with them, I haven't been to the Gold's in Venice in years either. I use to party with them alot and really I am glad I don't, most of them are into rec. drugs and shit and it is just a bad deal, I mean not as bad as Craig Titus, but you wouldn't believe the shit these do, I kinda got caught up it in myself and when I met my wife in 2001, she pulled me out of it. The deal was, my old roommate was all connected with those guys and introduced me to most of them, he won the 2001 USA MW title and honestly without him I would probaly have never met any of them, which now that I look back probaly wasn't a good thing anyways. Put it this way, my roommate ended up in Federal Prison on drug charges a year after I met my wife and moved in with her.