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BigSickD

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Your first cycle should be as follows
Test E or C 500mg/wk 1-12
Deca 300mg/wk 1-10
Dbol 30mg/day week 1-4
With a good PCT followed by at least 8 wks off

If you don't make good gains is size and strength, your diet or workouts suck. Usually both. Put more time dedicated to diet and workouts and then make a choice to do your first cycle.
 
BigSickD does not actually exist. He is the alter ego of a punkass 17yo kid that doesn't even workout. :D
 
thinking 3 compounds in your first cycle is way overkill and 8 weeks off is not gonna be enough after running deca for 10 weeks. IMO Test only is the only way to go for a first cycle.
 
I must ask , not tryin to stir up crap here or step on anyones toe's But .
Dont you think a Newbie just starting out with AAS should try a single compound cycle say --Test @ 500 wk for 12 weeks to see how his body reacts on the Test by itself so that he knows before adding in other compounds .
My belief is a First cycle should be Test by itesef then if after the first cycle if all goes smooth he could run another cycle after he does a proper PCT and time off and add in another compound such as Deca as you suggested .
If the Newbie ran Test /Deca and Dbol for 12 weeks and ran into a bunch of unwelcome sides effects he wouldnt know which compound was causing the issues to fix it .
In my opinion and this is just me but I wouldnt try to fix a Deca side effect with Nolvadex ,but a newcomer may not know that so a side effect from Test that could be fixed with Nolva would be simple unless of course that newbie was running Deca with his first cycle and tried to fix his deca induced sides with Nolva .
Maybe im way off course here but in my opinion a first AAS cycle should be Test alone at 500mg wkly for 12 weeks with proper AI and PCt on hand .
 
Deca with no prolactin fighter? Sounds like a recipe for a limp noodle.:gay:
 
I wish I would've used deca and test together at first. I'm also one that has never had deca dick.

Definately get em hooked withy that cycle, BSD. ;)
 
alluprbdy said:
thinking 3 compounds in your first cycle is way overkill and 8 weeks off is not gonna be enough after running deca for 10 weeks. IMO Test only is the only way to go for a first cycle.
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Blood work would be the only way to tell. I would bet that for the majority 4-6 weeks would be enough.
 
alluprbdy said:
thinking 3 compounds in your first cycle is way overkill and 8 weeks off is not gonna be enough after running deca for 10 weeks. IMO Test only is the only way to go for a first cycle.
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Well said. I agree with this nearly 100%. I agree with Lifts that 6 weeks is plenty for a first cycle ;)
 
I used to be the one saying test deca dbol for a first cycle but not anymore. Test only. Someone who can't grow on 500mg of test there is something wrong with training or diet
 
Even though I don't agree with this many compunds for a first cycle but it's exactly what I ran on my first one for 16w and I added proviron, I didn't have any sides and rarely ever do with any compunds. Now I probably just jinxed myself..
 
BikerTrash said:
If the Newbie ran Test /Deca and Dbol for 12 weeks and ran into a bunch of unwelcome sides effects he wouldnt know which compound was causing the issues to fix it .
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This ^.

While test only is great for a first cycle, I see no harm in adding low-dose dbol also as a kicker. Lets face it, if its test e, its gonna take several weeks to see anything, soo. However, I wouldn't run deca also due to the exact reason BikerTrash mentioned above. I will say that the doses BSD mentioned are very sound, and most guys running that aren't likely to be seeing many sides.
 
Keep in mind when I said it was my first cycle, I meant first real cycle as far as Oil goes I had took Dbol for Many,Many years prior.. But like DPH said I didn't have any sides.. Now years later when I run the same cycle at a higher dose I do get some backne, other than that Nothing!
 
IMO it depends on the individual, if the guy has only a few years lifting experience, then 500mgs test is appropriate.
On the other hand lets say you have a 30 year old with 12 years experience in the gym and wants to do a show, in that case I feel a slightly more advanced cycle is in order.
 
liftsiron said:
IMO it depends on the individual, if the guy has only a few years lifting experience, then 500mgs test is appropriate.
On the other hand lets say you have a 30 year old with 12 years experience in the gym and wants to do a show, in that case I feel a slightly more advanced cycle is in order.
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Although I agree with all the others that stated that they feel keeping it to one compound at a time is the wy to go, this ^^ statement makes sense.

For me, I have alot of cycling experience under my belt with alot of compounds, and I wont add more than ONE new one at a time. Even if I'm not worried about sides, I want to experience them and learn about the stuff and I really enjoy that. If I were to go two or more new compounds at the same time, I wouldnt get that experience.
 
This thread did exactly what I was hoping would happen, debate about a first cycle. Imo it should be viewed on a case by case basis. There is no definite answer here, though you can argue valid points. I basically said if you do this and don't make solid gains then your workout and diet sucks and therefore never had taken roids in the first place. I think steroids are the most abused drug because if you arent eating right and training hard then you are abusing them. I get sick of seeing youngsters come and go at the gym over all my years that take and abuse them. Educating people on them are all of our responsibility as responsible users.
 
There were 2 young guys that worked at regularly at my old gym. One of these guys was extremely aggresive and much better built than his lighter weight companion. He was growing by leaps and bounds. The bigger guy put a lot more into his workouts; but surprisingly his smaller companion kept pace in strength and routines. He never failed to lift about the same amount of weight...and kept up with sets and reps. He only trained half as often, and sometimes got tired and left before Tim, (the larger guy) was done. Finally the smaller guy stopped coming to the gym.

I asked Tim why, and he said, "John he has been on Test Enth for the last few months, and I have never done anything. He has no discipline, doesn't eat right, and stays up drinking and screwing around. For a while he was able to match my workouts due to the test, but he hasn't made any real size gains. For the last 2 weeks, he hasn't even been able to keep pace with me and now he's just damn depressed."

This is why I get frustrated with all these young guys inquiring about cycles with no foundation or knowledge. ;)
 
BigSickD said:
Your first cycle should be as follows
Test E or C 500mg/wk 1-12
Deca 300mg/wk 1-10
Dbol 30mg/day week 1-4
With a good PCT followed by at least 8 wks off

If you don't make good gains is size and strength, your diet or workouts suck. Usually both. Put more time dedicated to diet and workouts and then make a choice to do your first cycle.
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you don't recommend them to take an AI during the cycle to control estrogen related sides?? prolactins due to the deca ??
 
beasty said:
you don't recommend them to take an AI during the cycle to control estrogen related sides?? prolactins due to the deca ??
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^^^^ This doesnt apply to everyone , Say for myself during the exact cycle that was layed out in the OP , I needed no AI during my cycle nor have I needed to run a AI during any of my cycles to control sides . All compounds effect everyone differently therefore to recomend to everyone to take a AI to combat sides that may be non existant would be a wasteful use if AI .
Im currently running 750mg wk Test E and 600 mg EQ wkly and I am at around week 6 or 7. with Dbol ran the first 4 weeks and well no negative sides at all .
AI should be used to treat symptoms and control sides if need be but I dont feel they should be used just as a precautionary means if someone doesnt need them why put the extra chemicals in your body ?
 
John Benz said:
There were 2 young guys that worked at regularly at my old gym. One of these guys was extremely aggresive and much better built than his lighter weight companion. He was growing by leaps and bounds. The bigger guy put a lot more into his workouts; but surprisingly his smaller companion kept pace in strength and routines. He never failed to lift about the same amount of weight...and kept up with sets and reps. He only trained half as often, and sometimes got tired and left before Tim, (the larger guy) was done. Finally the smaller guy stopped coming to the gym.

I asked Tim why, and he said, "John he has been on Test Enth for the last few months, and I have never done anything. He has no discipline, doesn't eat right, and stays up drinking and screwing around. For a while he was able to match my workouts due to the test, but he hasn't made any real size gains. For the last 2 weeks, he hasn't even been able to keep pace with me and now he's just damn depressed."

This is why I get frustrated with all these young guys inquiring about cycles with no foundation or knowledge. ;)
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Exactly. The other day a friend of mine referred a friend of his to me for some cycle advice. Turns out this jack weed only works out for like 12 weeks a year while he is on cycle, then sits on his ass and licks his bitch tits or something the other 9 months of the year. And you wanna get me to tell you how to fix that with drugs? Strong WTF. Maybe cyanide would fix his problem, idk.
 
beasty said:
you don't recommend them to take an AI during the cycle to control estrogen related sides?? prolactins due to the deca ??
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I am on a grip of Shit right now including 600mg of Deca a week and I don't use any AI though I keep nolva on hand at all times, its case by case brother. Don't use them unless u need them..
 
BikerTrash said:
AI should be used to treat symptoms and control sides if need be but I dont feel they should be used just as a precautionary means if someone doesnt need them why put the extra chemicals in your body ?
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Well said! :igok:

I haven't used any AI's during a cycle. Even when running test e/deca/tren e @ 750/600/400 ew respectively. But I always had some nolva and liquidex on hand just in case. I had no sides - like BSD said, it depends on the person.
 
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