Joe the Plumber

It said on the news today that Joe already owes 1k in unpaid taxes and isn't even licensed as a plumber in Ohio.
 
There are many levels of plumbing that you do not need to be licensed for. I do most of the plumbing repairs on my apartments and home and I am not licensed. If I wanted to lay field lines or install a septic system, I would have to be licensed, but changing out a hot water heater, or wax ring on the toilet, you don't.

This guy REALLY caught Obongo off guard. He is considering buying the company he works for, and the company will make over 250 grand a year. That sounds about right, anyone who has ever dealt with plumbers know they charge outrageous prices, and if the company employs several plumbers, 250 grand a year is easy. Obongo did not have his puppet masters there to answer for him and he was put on the defensive because all he has spouted is MORE TAXES, MORE TAXES for those making over 250 grand.
 
...of course Biden opens his mouth and as usual doesn't know what he is talking about. Biden says, "I don't know any plumbers who make 250,000 a year" No shit dickhead, the company Senator, the company makes that much, thus the owners are on the hook for the higher taxes you want to take from them.
 
The IRS had us listed as owing 10K+ at one time. However, we wound up getting a refund.

Sam Wurzelbacher a.k.a. Joe the Plumber is just an example. Whether or not he's "licensed" to do the work, the bottom line is the tax plan.

'Nightly News:' McCain Cuts Taxes for Rich, Obama for Many
CNBC's Quintanilla gives favorable coverage to the Democratic presidential candidate, claiming McCain 'could make the federal deficit and national debt even worse.'

By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
9/23/2008 10:15:13 AM

No need to decide on your own; “NBC Nightly News” has already determined which presidential candidate has the best tax policy.

The Sept. 22 broadcast offered in-depth analysis of the two presidential candidates’ tax proposals. But according to CNBC correspondent Carl Quintanilla, the middle class stand to gain more from an Obama tax proposal.

“Amid all the rhetoric here’s one easy way to look at taxes,” Quintanilla said. “A middle-class household earning $38,000 to $66,000 a year would get an average tax cut under McCain of $325, under Obama, $1,100. Sound simple? It isn’t. The government suddenly has a trillion dollars in bailouts and the candidates disagree on how to tax the wealthiest Americans, the top 1 percent, to pay for it.”

Quintanilla laid the basic proposals out for viewers. According to the CNBC reporter, McCain favors more money in the hands of Americans and Obama favors higher taxes on some with the tax revenues going to those “left behind.”

“Either their taxes should be kept low as McCain says – so they’ll keep spending and employing Americans with their small businesses,” Quintanilla said, “or they should pay more, as Obama says, with that money going to help Americans he claims were left behind in our 20-year economic boom.”

Quintanilla portrayed Obama’s proposal as positive for the “vast majority” of Americans and McCain’s as beneficial only to the wealthiest households.

“Here’s what an Obama world would look like: The vast majority of households would pay less tax, not more,” Quintanilla said. “The wealthiest could see taxes go up $94,000, the very rich – $500,000. Obama would use that extra money on tax credits for students, homeowners and he’d eliminate income tax for seniors making less than $50,000.”

“What would McCain’s world look like? The top 1 percent of earners would see their taxes go down, an average of $50,000,” Quintanilla said. “Corporate taxes would go down, too. And he’d dramatically lower the estate tax on inheritances.

But it’s not just corporations and the nation’s top earners who would benefit from McCain tax cuts. All tax brackets would see lower tax bills under his proposal, according to the Tax Policy Center analysis Quintanilla cited in his report. He referred to the Center as “non-partisan,” but it is run by the left-leaning Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute.

The “CBS Evening News” aired a similar report July 7, as reported by the Media Research Center on July 15. MRC pointed out, the conservative Tax Foundation’s analysis found that Obama would shift more of the tax burden to relatively few families.

“Obama’s plan would greatly accelerate the decades-long trend toward a federal government that depends for tax revenue almost exclusively on a few high-income people. ...1.13 million Americans would pay more in all federal taxes than 128 million of their fellow citizens combined,” the Tax Foundation reported.

The verdict on McCain’s tax policy proposal, according to Quintanilla: less money for a bloated government, which the reporter characterized as a bad thing.

“With fewer dollars coming into the IRS, experts say a McCain White House could make the federal deficit and the national debt even worse.”

But “Nightly News” failed to point out, even Obama has – as identified by Ed Morrissey of Hot Air on Sept. 8 – that raising taxes on anything or anyone during such a fragile economic period would not be a good idea.

“Obama acknowledged in an ABC interview that rescinding the Bush tax cuts in a recession – as he has described the economy – would be destructive,” Morrissey wrote.
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Personally, we make about 100K a year. So this doesn't affect us as much as those making much more. But should the hard working business builders have to bear much more of a burden than the rest of us? How will this affect their employees if someone has a small business? I believe in an overall flat percentage tax rate and gov't spending based on the tax income.
 
There are many levels of plumbing that you do not need to be licensed for. I do most of the plumbing repairs on my apartments and home and I am not licensed. If I wanted to lay field lines or install a septic system, I would have to be licensed, but changing out a hot water heater, or wax ring on the toilet, you don't.

This guy REALLY caught Obongo off guard. He is considering buying the company he works for, and the company will make over 250 grand a year. That sounds about right, anyone who has ever dealt with plumbers know they charge outrageous prices, and if the company employs several plumbers, 250 grand a year is easy. Obongo did not have his puppet masters there to answer for him and he was put on the defensive because all he has spouted is MORE TAXES, MORE TAXES for those making over 250 grand.

If the business employs others their wages, benefits etc. are all write offs, as well as vehicles, supplies and every expense used in the business, so a owner of a business which grosses 250.000 a year may only have a net earning of 50K and that person would not see any increase in taxes. Normally a small business has to gross at least 1 mil. to show a profit anywhere near 250.000.
 
If the business employs others their wages, benefits etc. are all write offs, as well as vehicles, supplies and every expense used in the business, so a owner of a business which grosses 250.000 a year may only have a net earning of 50K and that person would not see any increase in taxes. Normally a small business has to gross at least 1 mil. to show a profit anywhere near 250.000.

True and everyone should have a business as a result. If you are married, then you or your spouse should have at least a home based business so you can deduct a portion of your home, car, phone, etc., expenses to realize a net increase in your available income.
 
To me that's all besides the point even if "Joe" the plumber was a plant by the Republicans/McCain. The real point of all this is Obama's response to "Joe" - "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." That's in addition to Biden's comment last month - "We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people" and "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."

I wish they would both show up at my door and try to take my money and give it to someone else.

FWIW, I probably won't be voting for McCain either.

KB
 
To me that's all besides the point even if "Joe" the plumber was a plant by the Republicans/McCain. The real point of all this is Obama's response to "Joe" - "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." That's in addition to Biden's comment last month - "We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people" and "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."

I wish they would both show up at my door and try to take my money and give it to someone else.

FWIW, I probably won't be voting for McCain either.

KB

.....and what kind of government uses that very phrase? Look back through history and and 1 word come to mind when that phrase comes up.....COMMUNISM.

That crap about taking from the wealthy and giving to the poor is just that.crap. Take from the haves and give to the havenots. Thats bullshit. Where does it stop? if ever.
 
If the business employs others their wages, benefits etc. are all write offs, as well as vehicles, supplies and every expense used in the business, so a owner of a business which grosses 250.000 a year may only have a net earning of 50K and that person would not see any increase in taxes. Normally a small business has to gross at least 1 mil. to show a profit anywhere near 250.000.

You are right, it all is. I live in a small town, about 30,000 and the plumbing companies here make a killing. When you get into new home construction( even though there is little left) and running septic tanks and field lines, the profits add up quick.
 
last i checked plumbers did not do septic tanks. i used to be in the business. i think joe the plumber backfired on mccain, he came off looking petty , smirky, definitely not presidential. Coolin powell endorsing obama is the nail in the coffin of the mccain campaign. give it up guys. as ms wetback says, time to buckle up and and prepare for the ride. no matter who wins it is going to be a tough time.

jb
 
LOL that McCain thinks people who make 250k per year are middle class. That shows how out of touch he really is. Obama will give everyone that makes under 250k tax cuts. Tired of seeing all the tax cuts going to the rich. We need a stronger middle class.
 
last i checked plumbers did not do septic tanks. i used to be in the business. i think joe the plumber backfired on mccain, he came off looking petty , smirky, definitely not presidential. Coolin powell endorsing obama is the nail in the coffin of the mccain campaign. give it up guys. as ms wetback says, time to buckle up and and prepare for the ride. no matter who wins it is going to be a tough time.

jb


Really, well, when was the last time you checked? I know the plumbing company I use for my work installed 4 septic tanks last year. Are you telling me that a person cannot be both certified to do plumbing work and also install septic tanks? Come on............
 
LOL that McCain thinks people who make 250k per year are middle class. That shows how out of touch he really is. Obama will give everyone that makes under 250k tax cuts. Tired of seeing all the tax cuts going to the rich. We need a stronger middle class.

You are absolutely right, Obongo will most definitely give those making less then 250k a tax break, as a matter of fact, he will give money to those WHO DON'T EVEN PAY ANY TAXES. How bout them apples? That's right, he will tax the hell out of small business's all the while taking that money and just giving it to those who are content with sitting on their dead asses and collecting government handouts. Need to "spread the wealth a little" right?
 
you could be an electrician if you had the inclination, what i am saying is in the state i come from most plumbers do not go near septic tanks and field installations, it takes different certifications, equipment and skills. i come from a small town so i do not know any plumbers who make 250,000 net/year. it is a joke to think that mccain is going to cut taxes for any of us. if i made over 250,000 i would not mind giving back a little instead of getting a tax break. once again i just can not believe folks can look at the mccain/palin ticket and get a warm fuzzy. mccain is not the man he once was, i think colin powell hit the nail on the head with his remarks. anyone up for calling powell a flaming liberal?

jb



Really, well, when was the last time you checked? I know the plumbing company I use for my work installed 4 septic tanks last year. Are you telling me that a person cannot be both certified to do plumbing work and also install septic tanks? Come on............
 
What we are looking at with Obama is a nation becoming a Socialist nation. If you screw the small businessman, then jobs will disappear and we'll be left with Walmart and ExxonMobil running things. It's time to think of Country First and not the individual leech that Obama apparently caters to.

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Obama?s Tax-Plan Disaster
The candidate?s ?soak the rich? tax rates will do widespread economic harm.

By Cesar V. Conda

Here?s an unusual campaign promise: I pledge to take action as president to drive down stock prices, discourage investment, and deepen the recession. Who has promised this? Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, albeit not in so many words.

With the stock market in crisis mode and the economy in a pronounced slump, would any economist ? even the most extreme liberal Keynesian ? advocate increasing taxes? Of course not. But contrary to economic commonsense, Obama is proposing to do exactly that by raising tax rates on America?s small businesses and investors.

Specifically, Obama wants to raise taxes on income, capital gains, and dividends for families earning more than $250,000 annually. Under his plan, the top two marginal tax rates will increase from 33 to 36 percent and from 35 to 39.6 percent, while both the capital-gains tax and dividend tax will rise from 15 to 20 percent. According to the plan, the extra revenues generated by these tax increases will be redistributed to lower- and middle-income people through a hodge-podge of refundable tax credits. In the meantime, these ?soak the rich? tax rates will do widespread economic harm.

First, Obama?s tax-rate increases on income will fall heavily on small businesses, which create the majority of net new jobs. Here?s why: According to Internal Revenue Service data, half of all business income is taxed at individual rather than corporate tax rates, and about two-thirds of all flow-through business income is earned by small-business owners with annual incomes exceeding $200,000. The bottom line: Up to one-third of all business income is taxed at the two marginal rates Obama wants to raise.

Second, history demonstrates the economic folly of raising capital-gains taxes at any time, and the economic benefit of keeping them permanently low. By influencing the incentives for people to invest, the capital-gains tax directly impacts the demand for ? and value of ? equities. Similarly, it influences the rate of investment, particularly in new, high-risk ventures.

Between 1969 and 1978 capital-gains tax rates rose from 25 percent to 35 percent. Across the same period stock prices and venture-capital investment declined. A 1978 economic study by economist Michael Evans of Chase Econometrics Associates found that ?the sharp declines in the stock market in 1969-1970, and 1977-1978 are due in large part to the Tax Reform Acts of 1968 and 1976.? Initial public stock offerings (IPOs) ? an important measure of new venture-capital investment ? also declined in this period, from an annual average rate of nearly $2 billion between 1969 and 1972 to an average of $225 million between 1975 and 1978.

When capital-gains tax rates were cut in 1979 and 1982, the results were just as predictable: Equity values rose along with investment commitments to new ventures. Conversely, when capital-gains tax rates were increased from 20 to 28 percent in 1986, the rate of IPOs stagnated.

About a decade later President Bill Clinton signed legislation that chopped the capital-gains tax rate back down to 20 percent. And once again economic growth, investment, jobs, and federal tax receipts all increased. (David Wyss of Standard & Poor?s DRI, an economic consulting firm, has produced a study documenting these incentive effects.)

Yet despite this progress, the current capital-gains tax rate ? 15 percent for individuals ? is still too high. Many foreign countries tax capital gains at much lower rates, putting the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage. According to the American Council of Capital Formation, the U.S. is currently in the middle of the 30-member OECD pack in terms of taxing capital gains. Fourteen OECD countries do not tax capital gains at all.

Third, Obama?s plan to raise taxes on dividends will negatively impact business investment, the retirement income of seniors, and finally economic growth.

When a corporation issues common stock to finance new job-creating investment, the returns on that investment are taxed twice, once at the corporate level and then again at the individual level when dividends are received by shareholders. This double tax on dividends encourages businesses to rely on debt rather than equity to finance new investment, a strategy that can weaken their financial condition.

The 2003 dividend tax cut from 35 to 15 percent reduced these economic distortions and provided incentives for companies to pay out dividends rather than retain their earnings. As a result, dividend payments were estimated to have increased by 20 percent.

But Obama?s proposed increase in the dividend tax would reverse this healthy trend. It also would disproportionately impact America?s seniors by taking a bigger bite out of their taxable dividends while reducing both the quality of dividend payments and the value of the stocks that produce them.

According to the American Association of Retired Persons, ?Of the nearly $150 billion in dividends that were reported on tax returns in 2000, people aged 65 and older received a highly disproportionate share (48 percent).? Near-retirees also received a big share of dividend income (29 percent), as did those so-called ?rich? families that make more than $250,000 a year. According to the AARP study, more than one-third (37.3 percent) of dividend income went to retirees with incomes in excess of $200,000.

Simply put, raising taxes on investment is never a good idea. A 2008 study by the Center for Data Analysis found that fully repealing the 2003 capital-gain and dividend tax-rate reductions would reduce employment by 270,000 jobs, cut real GDP by $44 billion, and decrease after-tax personal income by $113 billion in a single year.

On the other hand, by maintaining low tax rates and cutting certain tax rates that remain too high, as John McCain proposes to do, the economy will remain poised for growth. Looking long-term, McCain proposes to lock in the Bush tax rates of 2003 and slash corporate tax rates. For the short-term, he proposes to cut the capital-gains tax in half for a two-year period, from 15 to 7.5 percent, a stimulus measure that would spark an immediate boost in equity values.

To be fair, Obama is not calling for a full repeal of the 2003 tax cuts on income and investment, but the tax hikes he has in mind are toxic enough. His tax plan has even drawn a rebuke from the editors of the New York Times, who wrote that with ?the economy tanking ? it?s hard to imagine how [Obama] could prudently [raise taxes on the wealthy].? And while Obama has hinted that he would consider delaying his proposed tax increases if the economy is in recession, who really thinks a President Obama and a Democratic Congress will prioritize lower taxes over new spending?

The Times is right and Barack Obama is wrong. Now is precisely the wrong time to hike taxes ? especially on entrepreneurs and investors.
 
you could be an electrician if you had the inclination, what i am saying is in the state i come from most plumbers do not go near septic tanks and field installations, it takes different certifications, equipment and skills. i come from a small town so i do not know any plumbers who make 250,000 net/year. it is a joke to think that mccain is going to cut taxes for any of us. if i made over 250,000 i would not mind giving back a little instead of getting a tax break. once again i just can not believe folks can look at the mccain/palin ticket and get a warm fuzzy. mccain is not the man he once was, i think colin powell hit the nail on the head with his remarks. anyone up for calling powell a flaming liberal?

jb

I do NOT support Mccain/Palin at all. I agree 100% that either of these two puppets would be a total disaster for our country. Colin Powell is just like so many of his people. Most( if not ALL) blacks are voting for Obongo because he is black. Powell sat on television and said himself "It is not about race". I echo the question that Rush Limbaugh asked that has sent Powell running and ducking his head in the sand. How many Inexperienced WHITE liberals has Powell supported in the past? All Powell has to do is name them.
 
I do NOT support Mccain/Palin at all. I agree 100% that either of these two puppets would be a total disaster for our country. Colin Powell is just like so many of his people. Most( if not ALL) blacks are voting for Obongo because he is black. Powell sat on television and said himself "It is not about race". I echo the question that Rush Limbaugh asked that has sent Powell running and ducking his head in the sand. How many Inexperienced WHITE liberals has Powell supported in the past? All Powell has to do is name them.

I agree. However with the two obvious candidates, who should one vote for? I believe that Obama will be more detrimental in the long run based on his tax structure policy.
 
who should one vote for?

The only one that can make that decision is you. Analyze the two canidates, decide which one you hate slightly a little less than the other, and go for him.

Shit sandwich or a Poop Milkshake. Its your choice America! :D
 

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