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mrhtbd
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http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/...to-hide-on-this-one-the-walls-are-closing-in/
This video is unfathomable.
This video is unfathomable.
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HERO
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think its when the pregnancy is to far along n they have to deliver the baby, i think they cut off its oxygen and the fetus sufficates or somethin like that...all in all its a terrible procedure and most hospitals dont do it
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Elvis
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thats just sick
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I personally dont think there is a point to abortion because if u dont want the kid you can have it and give it up for adoption
but like cruci said, abortions arnt going away anytime soon...i say its better to keep it legal then to have scared women looking to get abortions and running into chop shops
but like cruci said, abortions arnt going away anytime soon...i say its better to keep it legal then to have scared women looking to get abortions and running into chop shops
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Plus, if every baby was born that was conceived, we would have no way to care for them. We can't adopt out all the children that need it now, if we were to ban abortion it would create appx 700,000 more children a year to adopt, which would go from foster home to foster home living on government money.
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with numbers like that, we would end up like china in no time
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IRON37
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I like rice.
Partual abortians are barbaric. Might as well just throw them off a building or something. Or ,gasp, wear a condom
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a what?
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tacosupreem
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check your facts.
abortion = pro-life
Are abortions safer when performed earlier or later in the pregnancy?
The earlier an abortion is performed the safer it as earlier abortions have less complications. In 1995, 89% of all abortions in the United States were performed within the first 12-13 weeks after the last menstrual period. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Abortion After Twelve Weeks" National Abortion Federation 1996]
What are rational reasons for why a woman would perform a late term abortion?
Abortion may be performed at later periods usually for the following reasons: (1) undiagnosed pregnancy until the late term, (2) medical complications (a pregnancy could worsen her health and/or threaten her life, the woman has cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy), (3) an abnormal fetus (i.e. it is developing with an incomplete spinal cord and this problem was not diagnosed until late in the pregnancy), (4) teen age pregnancy (teen must face unnecessary delays which prevent the teen from having an early term abortion, or the teen is raped and keeps it a secret in "shame" until it is obvious she is pregnant -- she should have the rapist aborted!), (5) time to raise money to pay for the abortion, (6) physician shortage in many counties so that woman must travel to major cities to have an abortion (84% of all counties in the U.S. have no abortion provider, and 94% of rural counties have none), (7) state imposed waiting periods. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Abortion After Twelve Weeks" National Abortion Federation 1996]
How many third trimester abortions are performed?
"Fewer than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy" [Ibid]. Typically abortions provided in the third trimester are limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities.
One prime example was a good friend of mine who was pregnant -- and dearly wanted to have a baby -- and in the third trimester it was discovered that her future child had developed without a full spinal cord, so that the baby would die at birth. So not to undergo the agony of such a situation she had a late term "partial-birth" abortion. Unfortunately, the state of Florida where she lived prohibited such abortions, so she had to fly across the country at great expense -- and much harassment by idiotic "pro-lifers" -- to have the abortion.
How much does an abortion cost?
In 1995, the cost of an early abortion ranges from $200 to $400. Later term abortions cost approximately $400-700 between the 13th and 16th week; after that, the cost goes up about $100/week. The cost increases over time due to greater complications in the procedure. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Economics of Abortion" National Abortion Federation 1996]
abortion = pro-life
Are abortions safer when performed earlier or later in the pregnancy?
The earlier an abortion is performed the safer it as earlier abortions have less complications. In 1995, 89% of all abortions in the United States were performed within the first 12-13 weeks after the last menstrual period. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Abortion After Twelve Weeks" National Abortion Federation 1996]
What are rational reasons for why a woman would perform a late term abortion?
Abortion may be performed at later periods usually for the following reasons: (1) undiagnosed pregnancy until the late term, (2) medical complications (a pregnancy could worsen her health and/or threaten her life, the woman has cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy), (3) an abnormal fetus (i.e. it is developing with an incomplete spinal cord and this problem was not diagnosed until late in the pregnancy), (4) teen age pregnancy (teen must face unnecessary delays which prevent the teen from having an early term abortion, or the teen is raped and keeps it a secret in "shame" until it is obvious she is pregnant -- she should have the rapist aborted!), (5) time to raise money to pay for the abortion, (6) physician shortage in many counties so that woman must travel to major cities to have an abortion (84% of all counties in the U.S. have no abortion provider, and 94% of rural counties have none), (7) state imposed waiting periods. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Abortion After Twelve Weeks" National Abortion Federation 1996]
How many third trimester abortions are performed?
"Fewer than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy" [Ibid]. Typically abortions provided in the third trimester are limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities.
One prime example was a good friend of mine who was pregnant -- and dearly wanted to have a baby -- and in the third trimester it was discovered that her future child had developed without a full spinal cord, so that the baby would die at birth. So not to undergo the agony of such a situation she had a late term "partial-birth" abortion. Unfortunately, the state of Florida where she lived prohibited such abortions, so she had to fly across the country at great expense -- and much harassment by idiotic "pro-lifers" -- to have the abortion.
How much does an abortion cost?
In 1995, the cost of an early abortion ranges from $200 to $400. Later term abortions cost approximately $400-700 between the 13th and 16th week; after that, the cost goes up about $100/week. The cost increases over time due to greater complications in the procedure. [Source: "Susan Dudley, Ph.D. "Economics of Abortion" National Abortion Federation 1996]
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tacosupreem
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What is the essential political issue concerning abortion?
The essential political question concerning abortion is: does the fetus have a right to be in the body of a woman against the will of the woman? Or: does a woman's body belong to her, or to the government to forcibly dispose of in favor of the fetus?
Doesn't a fetus have a right to be inside the body of the woman?
A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body. Permissions are not rights. There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave. Contrary to the opinion of anti-abortion activists (falsely called "pro-lifers" as they are against the right to life of the actual human being involved) a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb.
What applies to a fetus, also applies to a physically dependent adult. If an adult—say a medical welfare recipient—must survive by being connected to someone else, they may only do so by the voluntary permission of the person they must be connected to. There is no such thing as the right to live by the efforts of someone else, i.e., there is no such thing as the right to enslave.
The essential political question concerning abortion is: does the fetus have a right to be in the body of a woman against the will of the woman? Or: does a woman's body belong to her, or to the government to forcibly dispose of in favor of the fetus?
Doesn't a fetus have a right to be inside the body of the woman?
A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body. Permissions are not rights. There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave. Contrary to the opinion of anti-abortion activists (falsely called "pro-lifers" as they are against the right to life of the actual human being involved) a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb.
What applies to a fetus, also applies to a physically dependent adult. If an adult—say a medical welfare recipient—must survive by being connected to someone else, they may only do so by the voluntary permission of the person they must be connected to. There is no such thing as the right to live by the efforts of someone else, i.e., there is no such thing as the right to enslave.
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