Pac & Floyd fight may never happen...

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I know the "hype" game plays a major role in boxing to bring out the money, but I don't believe this shit is hype...Pac is PISSED! :eek: He's not the type of guy to play this type of game to build-up a fight. Floyd and crew pulling a bunch of pussy ass stunts now. IMO, the fight may never happen now. Read on....

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Megafight talks take another strange twist

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports

Negotiations to finalize a lucrative boxing match between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. took another bizarre twist Friday as Pacquiao threatened libel lawsuits and the chief executive officer of Golden Boy Promotions was accused of telling a Filipino journalist that Pacquiao is using performance-enhancing drugs.

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said Friday that reporter Ronnie Nathanielsz of the Manila Standard told him that in September, Nathanielsz was in the Golden Boy offices in Los Angeles when Richard Schaefer accused Pacquiao of using PEDs.

Schaefer, whose company is representing Mayweather in a fight expected to be the largest-grossing in history, recalls meeting Nathanielsz in his downtown Los Angeles office but denied the allegations.

Nathanielsz, whose newspaper has not reported the alleged conversation, declined via email to comment.

Talks to finalize the bout between the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world hit a snag on Tuesday when Mayweather issued a statement demanding ?Olympic-style drug testing? administered by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Top Rank, on behalf of Pacquiao, declined and the sides have exchanged bitter words since.

On Friday, Arum said he spoke on the telephone late Thursday with Winchell Campos, a Pacquiao publicist. Arum said Campos told him Pacquiao planned to file a lawsuit against Mayweather, Mayweather Sr., Golden Boy Promotions and Schaefer for allegations Pacquiao says they made without evidence that he is on performance-enhancing drugs.

Arum said he tried to talk Campos out of issuing a statement from Pacquiao announcing plans for the suit. But Arum said Campos then put Pacquiao on the telephone and that Pacquiao was as angry as he has ever heard him.

?Manny is usually this mild-mannered guy, but he was unbelievably angry,? Arum said. ?I never heard him like that. He told me to make it stop. This was a different Manny than I?d ever heard. When I hung up, I said, ?What the hell was that about?? ?

When he spoke to Nathanielsz by telephone 30 minutes later, Arum said Nathanielsz recounted a meeting in Schaefer?s downtown Los Angeles office in the buildup to the Sept. 19 fight in Las Vegas between Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez in which he alleged that Schaefer told him Pacquiao was using performance-enhancing drugs.

Arum, who flew to Mexico on Friday for a week-long vacation, said Nathanielsz?s comments clarified things for him. He said he had been puzzled by Mayweather Sr.?s public allegations against Pacquiao, but said they began to make sense after speaking with Nathanielsz.

?Ronnie said he came over early for the [Mayweather-Marquez] fight and he met with Schaefer,? Arum said. ?He said they met for a half hour and that Schaefer went on and on and on that Manny is a cheater and that Manny uses steroids and that Manny was on performance-enhancing drugs.

?Ronnie asked him, ?Why would you take this attitude with this young man?? Ronnie told me he thinks Schaefer is pissed off that Manny chose us over Golden Boy, though Schaefer is happy to take the money.?

Pacquiao signed promotional contracts with both Golden Boy and Top Rank in 2006. Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya met Pacquiao at Los Angeles International Airport and gave him a suitcase filled with $250,000 in cash, which Pacquiao later was forced to return, as an inducement to sign.

Lawsuits were filed and the matter was eventually settled in arbitration by retired judge Daniel Weinstein. Weinstein ruled Pacquiao would be promoted by Top Rank, but that Golden Boy is entitled to a percentage of profits in perpetuity from all Pacquiao fights as long as Top Rank had Pacquiao under contract.

Arum said he has asked his attorneys to have the arbitration reopened and have Golden Boy eliminated since Schaefer?s actions were not in the fighter?s best interests.

Schaefer said Nathanielsz has had a good relationship with Golden Boy, particularly with its matchmaker, Eric Gomez. Schaefer admitted he hosted Nathanielsz in his office, but denied he made any accusations about Pacquiao and performance-enhancing drugs.

?I would never accuse anybody of anything and those who know me know that?s just not the way I am,? Schaefer said Friday. ?I would never go and allege anybody is doing anything, so that is absolutely not true that I would have said to anybody that Manny is cheating. I didn?t.

?We have a pretty good relationship with Ronnie. I think Eric does. He came to see our offices, but there was no accusation of cheating. And in this process, over the last few days or weeks, not once did you hear me say, to you or to anyone else, that I am accusing Manny of taking anything or doing anything illegal.?

Schaefer also questioned why, if Nathanielsz had such information, that he had not reported it.

Mayweather Sr. began inferring that he suspected Pacquiao was on steroids or some other performance-enhancing substance in September, not long after Nathanielsz visited the Golden Boy offices.

After Pacquiao?s victory over Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14 in Las Vegas, Mayweather Sr. suggested to Yahoo! Sports reporter Martin Rogers that Pacquiao?s improvements were not natural.

?You know there is something going on with him,? Mayweather Sr. told Rogers. ?If I was Floyd I wouldn?t fight him because of that. It just don?t add up. Take a look at them old pictures, man. That?s a different dude. And he got knocked out when he was 30 pounds lighter, but now he can stand there and take Cotto?s best shots? Come on.?

Arum reiterated Friday that Pacquiao is clean and said the fight can be salvaged if Mayweather backs off his insistence that testing be administered by USADA. USADA?s procedures demand random testing up to and including the day of competition.

Pacquiao has an aversion to giving blood close to an event, both Arum and his adviser, Michael Koncz, have said, believing it weakens him. Arum said Pacquiao would submit to testing if it were done under the auspices of the Nevada Athletic Commission.

?They?re corrupted in this thing; they?re complicit,? Arum said of USADA. ?Both sides here know the people involved in the Nevada Athletic Commission. It can handle the testing and we can work out a protocol that will prove Manny is not on anything and that won?t interfere with the fight.?

Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions and the fighter?s closest friend, refused to say Friday whether his side would accept testing done by any group other than USADA, as it has demanded.

Ellerbe said he and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon came up with the idea to require the testing, not Mayweather Jr., as a way to protect their fighter.

?We?re waiting to see if Manny Pacquiao is going to do the Olympic-style drug testing,? Ellerbe said. ?The bottom line is that neither Top Rank, nor Manny?s camp, nor Mayweather Promotions or Golden Boy Promotions are going to dictate how the blood and urine testing is conducted.

?I understand this could be the biggest fight in the history of the sport, but all money ain?t good money. You can?t put a price tag on anything when it comes to a man?s livelihood. The fighters are the only ones stepping up, putting their lives on the line. It?s the fighters who are putting their lives on the line, not me, not Top Rank, not Golden Boy, not Al Haymon. Our responsibility here is to protect the interests of our guy and that?s what we?re doing.?

In his statement in which he threatened to sue, Pacquiao denies taking steroids and said he didn?t sue Mayweather Sr. earlier because he didn?t want to create distractions during his preparations for Cotto.

?I maintain and assure everyone that I have not used any form or kind of steroids and that my way to the top is a result of hard work, hard work, hard work and a lot of blood spilled from my past battles in the ring, not outside of it,? Pacquiao said in his statement. ?I have no idea what steroids look like and my fear in God has kept me safe and victorious through all these years.

?Now, I say to Floyd Mayweather Jr., don?t be a coward and face me in the ring, mano-a-mano and shut your big, pretty mouth, so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring.?

Arum said he plans to continue parallel negotiations with Lou DiBella, who promotes Paulie Malignaggi, and plans to resume those talks on Monday for a Pacquiao-Malignaggi fight on March 13.

Malignaggi has suggested Pacquiao may have taken performance-enhancing drugs and Arum said Pacquiao would agree to some type of testing administered by a regulatory agency like the Nevada Athletic Commission to quell those fears.
 
Yup, its off. Mayweathers camp just HAD to find a way to get out of the fight. :rolleyes: Makes no sense...unprecedented shit! :eek: They are calling for Pac to be drug tested the same way they do in the Olympics.



MANILA, Philippines - Hopes of salvaging the megafight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are slim after American promoter Bob Arum?s?final counter offer? was quickly turned down by Mayweather?s chief adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, and negotiator, Richard Schaefer.

Arum, main man of Top Rank, had given the Mayweather camp until Monday (today in Manila) to decide on his final proposal that both parties let the Nevada State Athletic Commission to make the final decision on the blood tests issue.

According to Yahoo! Sports, Arum suggested that both sides explain to the NSAC why their ?preferred (blood) testing system? should be used or followed, and let the Nevada body make the final decision.

Mayweather wanted an Olympic-style blood testing to be supervised by the United States Anti-Doping Agency. Under the set-up, both fighters should agree to as many as five blood and 12 urine tests - randomly.

Freddie Roach said it?s so random that that USADA can knock on your doors in the middle of the night to get blood or urine samples, in the weeks, days or just hours before the fight, and shortly afterwards.

Pacquiao?s camp said there?s no need for such, and has agreed to three blood tests (one on the first week of January, then 30 days before the match and another after the match, but was again unacceptable to Mayweather.

Arum made the offer of letting the NSAC to decide. And if the Mayweathers disagree, the Top Rank president said he could seal a Pacquiao fight with Paulie Malignaggi on March 13 ?within an hour.?

Arum may find himself making the phone call when he wakes up Monday morning while vacationing in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico after Ellerbe and Schaefer literally thumbed down the final counter offer from Top Rank.

?Random is random. We are all intelligent people and we know what random testing is. That is what we want and it has not changed,? said Ellerbe.

?It does not make sense for this to become a commission matter. This is a contractual matter. The commission did not decide the weights or the purse split or how the foreign television rights would be sold.

?If this is Bob?s final ultimatum, then that?s what it is. That is his decision if he wants to take that position. I very much hope this fight can be made, but the reason it is at a standstill is because of the way they have handled things,? Schaefer said.

Pacquiao is vacationing with his family in Gen. Santos City and his adviser, Mike Koncz, said the 31-year-old superstar doesn?t want to make any further comment on the matter.

The other day, Schaefer said Mayweather can do away with the USADA, and it?s just a matter of both camps agreeing on the dates of the blood tests just to make sure that they?re still effective.

But that was the other day.

?We are prepared to have this handled in a way that is not us deciding or them deciding,? said Arum. ?The commission meets on Jan. 19. Mayweather?s people can say why they believe additional testing above what we agreed to as necessary and we can give our viewpoint.

?Let the commission decide. If they come away and decide Manny needs to be blood tested every single [expletive] day, then we will go with that. This is the way to go to give this thing legitimacy. I hope they [Team Mayweather] see reason.? - By Abac Cordero (Philstar News Service, www.philstar.com)
 
fuck mayweather to many excuses just to put pressure on manny. But in the end its shows that fucking coward floyd is trying to destruct manny and cant accept the lose
 
you guys should stick to MMA...Cage Fighting will never let you down! You dont have all the drama with it either.
 
you guys should stick to MMA...Cage Fighting will never let you down! You dont have all the drama with it either.

dog pound hank is old school... he loves boxing... i was actuallty really looking forward to the pac / floyd fight
 
i used to like boxing myself...but then i discovered a sport where its not illegal to kick someone in the face and then choke them until they give up...haahaa me like, me like!
 
i used to like boxing myself...but then i discovered a sport where its not illegal to kick someone in the face and then choke them until they give up...haahaa me like, me like!
hit up youtube and watch pac fights... u will change ur mind lol
 
hit up youtube and watch pac fights... u will change ur mind lol

i may give it a look but i can assure u i wont change my mind about MMA being my fav. sport...i highly respect boxing, its definitely an art of its own kind but MMA is just my thing bro. To me its more like a "real" fight, more windows for oppurtunity and more margin for error making it highly unpredictable and when you find a champion...not a winner but a real champion, he is the elite of the elite, and can more than likely hold his dominance of putting foot to heiney against all combat athletes as he doesnt specialize in just the use of hands or submission wrestling but a combination of mind, body, and strength to be known as an "ultimate-fighter". Its a sport where they dont take the time to stop bleeding but instead prefer it--where there is no 10 second count to determine if a man is knocked out or not as there is no question about it--This is a Sport where one can give it everything he's got and yet still have everything hes got taken away from him!--where there is no such thing as being "prepared"...just ready--a sport a self-control and discipline and mixed up with Rage and Determination...THIS IS---M-M-A! lol i should be an announcer lol...kinda got the whole "300" movie "This Is Sparta..." thing goin on hahahahaha nah boxing is cool guys, really! i am just a big mma fan
 
i may give it a look but i can assure u i wont change my mind about MMA being my fav. sport...i highly respect boxing, its definitely an art of its own kind but MMA is just my thing bro. To me its more like a "real" fight, more windows for oppurtunity and more margin for error making it highly unpredictable and when you find a champion...not a winner but a real champion, he is the elite of the elite, and can more than likely hold his dominance of putting foot to heiney against all combat athletes as he doesnt specialize in just the use of hands or submission wrestling but a combination of mind, body, and strength to be known as an "ultimate-fighter". Its a sport where they dont take the time to stop bleeding but instead prefer it--where there is no 10 second count to determine if a man is knocked out or not as there is no question about it--This is a Sport where one can give it everything he's got and yet still have everything hes got taken away from him!--where there is no such thing as being "prepared"...just ready--a sport a self-control and discipline and mixed up with Rage and Determination...THIS IS---M-M-A! lol i should be an announcer lol...kinda got the whole "300" movie "This Is Sparta..." thing goin on hahahahaha nah boxing is cool guys, really! i am just a big mma fan
me to man... i like boxing too.. but dont follow it as much
 
I am a fan of manny, and do not like mayweather at all, but its blatantly obvious that he (manny) has something to hide when he acts like this.
 
Malignaggi wants to fight PAC? Seriously?
Manny will eat that kid alive
 
I am a fan of manny, and do not like mayweather at all, but its blatantly obvious that he (manny) has something to hide when he acts like this.

I disagree bigtime. Mayweathers camp is calling for a different protocol of testing(in the pros) merely because it is Pac...ABSURD! :eek: Its not like Pac is disagreeing to the normal testing...why should he adhere to greater lengths merely because it is HIM? Can we say biased is an understatment here?lol Why should Pac "give in" to Mayweathers camp to go to greater lengths of testing than any other pro fighter has to go through?

This only proves how much Mayweather and crew really know theres a great chance Floyd may well indeed get his ass kicked if he fights Pac.lol I hope like hell Roach and crew don't give-in, coz if they do, they are letting Floyd make the calls from jump....fuck that. Floyd REALLY has balls to go to this length, when his sorry ass deliberatley didn't make weight against Marquez, which was a big advantage for him. I'm sure he will do the same thing if he fights Pac...a 600K fine ain't shit when your making 15 milllion+. :rolleyes:
 
I am surprised nigbo hasn't chimed in on this, he sides with PBF on this issue.

The testing they are asking for is unprecedented for the sport, it is silly really. Paq was even willing to do 3 blood tests anyway at the press conference, 30 days out, and immediately after the fight.

Pacs request of 10 million per lb overweight are warranted imo. PBF totally fucked over JMM in his last fight and had an insane size advantage because he refused to dry out and make weight. PBF also agreed to a 3 million per lb overweight when fighting ODH and nobody made a stink of it then.
 
IMO, something will get sorted, Pac is suing Floyd and "others" from his camp (unspecified at the time 9of the Sky News broadcast)
This fight HAS to go ahead, boxing is being battered by MMA in ratings and PPV and they need to do something to keep the ratings up. This is the biggest non heavyweight fight since Hagler -v- Sugar Ray, it HAS to go ahead!!!
 
Yup. Pac will be fighting Clottey next. Floyd and crew fucked up royally IMO. Coming out and accusing a nigga for being on gear just because he is one bad mofo is just WRONG. Makes Floyd look like a coward searching for a way out.lol :p
 
Yup. Pac will be fighting Clottey next. Floyd and crew fucked up royally IMO. Coming out and accusing a nigga for being on gear just because he is one bad mofo is just WRONG. Makes Floyd look like a coward searching for a way out.lol :p
Absolutely!
 
Yup. Pac will be fighting Clottey next. Floyd and crew fucked up royally IMO. Coming out and accusing a nigga for being on gear just because he is one bad mofo is just WRONG. Makes Floyd look like a coward searching for a way out.lol :p

Correct me if I'm wrong here but does Pac's refusal not play into Floyd's hands? Think about it, if Pac turned round and said "OK" and tested negative then that would be more of a mind fuck for Floyd's camp, they would be shitting themselves as they would have 100% proof that Pac's wins and storm up 5 different weight classes, with championship belts, was all Pac, no gear or anything untoward.
BUT, because Pac has refused, he has made himself the subject of suspicion, an example here, you military guys will remember this.......we were subject to Compulsory Drug Tests (CDT) in the Army, totally random, 100% tested, any refusal was deemed to be an admission of guilt - irrespective of drug usage or not!
By refusing the Olympic style tests (which should be the way it is anyway) Pac now has the finger of guilt firmly pointed at him and he is in danger of discrediting his amazing career.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here but does Pac's refusal not play into Floyd's hands? Think about it, if Pac turned round and said "OK" and tested negative then that would be more of a mind fuck for Floyd's camp, they would be shitting themselves as they would have 100% proof that Pac's wins and storm up 5 different weight classes, with championship belts, was all Pac, no gear or anything untoward.
BUT, because Pac has refused, he has made himself the subject of suspicion, an example here, you military guys will remember this.......we were subject to Compulsory Drug Tests (CDT) in the Army, totally random, 100% tested, any refusal was deemed to be an admission of guilt - irrespective of drug usage or not!
By refusing the Olympic style tests (which should be the way it is anyway) Pac now has the finger of guilt firmly pointed at him and he is in danger of discrediting his amazing career.

I disagree bro. And the reason being is that this is unprecedented shit. To merely "give in" to the absurd demands that Floyd and crew has made I think would be a mistake...letting them dictate from jump...fuck that. :rolleyes: :wackit: Seems like the media is seeing this as a a cop out tactic for Floyd so he doesn't have to fight Pac. I agree 100%!
 
the mayweather camp has budged on 4 different major demands, and minor ones as aswell to get this fight to happen

bob arum wont budge on 1 single thing, thats why this fight didnt happen
 
Here is a basic idea of whats going on, without me having to type it out

In retrospect, it doesn't seem like Arum wanted to concede anything to PBF. In actuality, Floyd had been uncharacteristically reasonable throughout the most important parts of the negotiation. Honestly... If you were to guess the Top 4 sticking points that would threaten the fight, what would they be? For me, it went:

A. Split of the purse... See More
B. Weight
C. Gloves
D. Date of fight

Floyd momentarily made some noises about wanting the fight at 154. Of course, that didn't last long and he almost immediately signed on at 147. Of course, he wanted the 10 oz. gloves, but he conceded the 8 ouncers very quickly... The split of the purse was never even really an issue. Although Floyd has been much more consistent in making huge PPVs, he didn't make any fuss about the 50-50 split. Arum demanded the fight be March 13 due to Pac's political aspirations, giving them a small window for venue selection and promotion, but Floyd agreed immediately.

Then, throw in the absolutely ridiculous $10 million per pound over the limit that Arum insisted upon... And Floyd agreed to without much hesitation.

The way I look at it, Floyd said, "Look... I've made every concession, here. The only area in which I want for Top Rank to negotiate with me on is the blood tests."

Was it a power play? Probably. But, I think that, in light of how all other sticking points had gone (in favor of Pac) and considering that Floyd offered a very reasonable 14-day window, all signs point toward Arum not really wanting to concede ANYTHING to GBP/PBF due to a serious personal vendetta (which should never come into play when negotiating a fight).

The old man has lost it. We have now gotten to the point in which he is willing to take on a dangerous opponent for much less money in Clottey than have to meet GBP/Floyd halfway on ANY issue.
 
The 50/50 money-split should be academic anyway since these days Pac is more marketable than Floyd due to his explosive fighting style and status in the boxing world. Hence, thats as much as a concession on Pacs part as it is Floyds.

Floyd got away with not making weight deliberately for the Marquez fight...I dont think it should be considered a "favor" by him to actually make the 147 weight this time around. They already knew in advance Pac wouldnt be fighting at no 154 :eek: ...not like 147 was some sudden secret bomb dropped on them. Shit actually I thought Pac and crew would be lobbying for 145 lbs.

Agreeing to the glove weight and fight date in trade for demanding an unprecedented drug test that is beyond professional boxing standards is like, well IMO, like saying "yo nigga I got 2 dbol tabs for ya if you give me 3 kits of GH". :p With Pac its a character thing, and camp Mayweather has called Pac a cheater with NO data/evidence suggesting that whatsoever. Floyd Sr. said Pac MUST be doing roids coz "he got K.O'ed twice in his early career by bums, yet he could take Cotto's best shots". Since when did gear make ones chin better? :eek: lol

I say don't budge. If the fight never happens, IMO it will reflect much more negatively on Floyd than Pac in the long run. Pac will keep flourishing and Floyd will be known for dodging him because of outrageous accusations and demands.
 
Welters on down use 8 oz gloves, 154 on up uses 10 oz. Since this is a welterweight fight it is self explanatory what gloves would be used.

The 10 million per lb overweight may seem excessive, but PBF put this same type of stipulation into ODLH's contract when they fought. Oscar would've had to pay PBF 3 million per lb overweight.

The way Floyd dick butted Marquez in his last fight ensured that this type of clause is absolutely necessary for Pac. The 300k per lb overweight obviously wasn't enough as Floyd didn't even attempt to dry out after the weigh ins. This isn't about money as it is ensuring PBF comes in at weight.

I'd rather see PBF fight Shane anyways.
 
Floyd Sr. said Pac MUST be doing roids coz "he got K.O'ed twice in his early career by bums, yet he could take Cotto's best shots

Manny was very green and only 18 for the first one. Think Bernard Hopkins first fight.

He really had to dry out in the second loss and Medgoen Singsurat is by no means a bum. He was 18-0 at the time they fought and is currently 63-6.

Roberto Duran carried both his chin and his power up with him.

Cotto was also never a one-punch KO artist. He was heavy handed but would typically wear dudes down.
 
The psycological advantage Pac could have over Floyd if he took te tests and they came back clean would be immense! Floyd's camp is suggesting, whether loosely or not, that Pac has been using performance enhancers, namely " 'roids" during his meteoric rise through the ranks. This would, to me, seem that they are discrediting his acheivements. By way of asking for the blood tests, they will be hoping (if he was using) that Pac would stop using and would be no match for Floyd, HOWEVER, if Pac did the tests and they came back clean, he could take that to Floyd's camp and say "I'm clean, always have been, how do you like them apples?".

Yes, it looks like Floyd being obstinate asking for the tests.
Yes, it also looks like Floyd's clutching at straws to get the fight called off.

BUT - Manny has missed a golden opportunity to get the psycological edge over Floyd and his whole camp but showing that he is indeed super human in his rise to the top. No fighter has ever won the mind games with Mayweather, this was Manny's chance to do exactly that and he's blown it.

Yes, there will be arguments to the contrary but I'm seeing this like it is, Floyd tried to upset Manny's preparation for the fight, arguably one of the biggest fight of our generation, and Manny (or his camp) took the huff and refused to play ball, rather than throw it back in Floyd's face and get one over on him.
Listen, blood tests, as I'm sure most on A-E will be aware of, only take 10ml of blood max - you lose more than that each time you have a shit through disposal of dead RBC's - and they do not hinder performance at all.
 

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