Too big, too fast?

[Dakota]

Hey Brothers

I am having one hell of a cycle. I am up from 178 to 195. Cyp, prop and Var. The first part of the gain was high quality, but adding Deca in the last couple of weeks has got me holding some water. I am looking huge compared to just a few weeks ago. A bunch of my shirts no longer fit.

That is the good news. The bad news is this rapid size gain is making sleep a bitch. My arms and forearms are continually falling asleep at night. My shoulders actually feel like the are too big to sleep comfortable on my side.

Many years ago I got up to 220 and don't remember having this many night symptoms. I couldn't climb a flight of stairs but I my sleep was Ok.

Anyone else have this issue and if so is there a way to improve it? I am sleeping with a half dozen pillows jammed everywhere.

I should probably add that I am using igf lr3 and gh, in case that could be the cause.

 

[Dawgpound_Hank]

Hey Brothers

I am having one hell of a cycle. I am up from 178 to 195. Cyp, prop and Var. The first part of the gain was high quality, but adding Deca in the last couple of weeks has got me holding some water. I am looking huge compared to just a few weeks ago. A bunch of my shirts no longer fit.

That is the good news. The bad news is this rapid size gain is making sleep a bitch. My arms and forearms are continually falling asleep at night. My shoulders actually feel like the are too big to sleep comfortable on my side.

Many years ago I got up to 220 and don't remember having this many night symptoms. I couldn't climb a flight of stairs but I my sleep was Ok.

Anyone else have this issue and if so is there a way to improve it? I am sleeping with a half dozen pillows jammed everywhere.

I should probably add that I am using igf lr3 and gh, in case that could be the cause.

Sleep on your side? I haven't slept on my side in God knows how long. Anytime I would go to my side, I would wake up from the same numbness, that's ON or OFF. Just get used to sleeping on your back. One of the trade-offs for being big - enjoy it!

 

[Big B]

How's diet Dakota? Any changes when you started?

How long on HGH and igf?

 

[ajaymehta10]

It can be a reason of diet.

 

[liftsiron]

Numbness is most likely hgh.

 

[Superior]

Dakota, share the wealth, Donate some shirts bro.. lol

Keep us posted on the consistently of ur Gaines, very curious..

 

[Glycomann]

Clearly you have to up the dose. Usually if I can't sleep it's my wife's fault.

 

[b52]

I get numbness all the time sleeping. A lot of it has to do with the work I do since I'm using my grip all day. Pretty sure it's mild carpel tunnel. My shoulders will get numb if I sleep with my arms raised above my head.

I'm sure if you haven't experienced it before your case is probably caused by fluid retention.

 

[Dakota]

LI, the numbness isn't the hands tingling and puffiness of gh, it is dead asleep arms from the elbows or shoulders down.

BB, my diet is on. Smooth due to water retention not fat gain.

I guess it is just the way it is. Should surgery, back surgery, decades of lifting. I guess it is on my back with lots of pillows propping up every limb.

Poor girl, I snore pretty good on my back.

 

[Kluso]

Try adding a shot like proviron or mast. Will help with the water. I know Var is a DHT but it just doesn’t do the same thing. Even winny would help. Also make sure you are getting enough water. Increasing sodium and potassium would definitely help too.

 

[Dawgpound_Hank]

Try adding a shot like proviron or mast. Will help with the water. I know Var is a DHT but it just doesn?t do the same thing. Even winny would help. Also make sure you are getting enough water. Increasing sodium and potassium would definitely help too.

Wait, sodium? With him running deca & test cyp, I would think that would make him swell up like a water buffalo?

 

[Kluso]

Wait, sodium? With him running deca & test cyp, I would think that would make him swell up like a water buffalo?

Actually it shouldn’t. Didn’t make a lot of sense to me either. But what the electrolytes will do is move the water he is already carrying. Move it from around the joints(where the nerves are getting pinched) and into the muscle. At least that’s the idea. Will help with cramping too and make your muscles look and feel more full. It’s funny I was taught that sodium was bad for you when I was a kid. Well like a lot of things that used to be considered bad anernt necessarily bad anymore. And sodium in something most bodybuilders don’t get enough of.

On a side note. I meant to say DHTs like proviron and mast in my first post. A dht should actually help lower amount of water he is holding from the deca.

 

[Kluso]

Hey Dakota, what is your HGH and igf1 protocol? More than likely that is the cause but you may be able to tweek protocol to improve the sides.

 

[Darkness]

Add tren a at 150 ED

 

[Dakota]

Add tren a at 150 ED

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot Darkness!

 

[Dakota]

Hey Dakota, what is your HGH and igf1 protocol? More than likely that is the cause but you may be able to tweek protocol to improve the sides.

3ius of gh/day and 100 mcg LR3 pre workout only

 

[Kluso]

3ius of gh/day and 100 mcg LR3 pre workout only

Are u taking the 3ius all at once? Subq or IM? And when? Postworkout? Before bed? The higher your systemic igf1 levels the more sides like CTS and hands/arms falling asleep will happen. We want high igf1 levels just not systemic levels. We want “local” igf1 levels high for muscle growth. So splitting up your dose into multiple injects and spacing them out will help. Sorry if I am preaching to the choir. Don’t know what you already know about this? I try not to take more than 2ius at a time. Definitely helps.

 

[Dakota]

Are u taking the 3ius all at once? Subq or IM? And when? Postworkout? Before bed? The higher your systemic igf1 levels the more sides like CTS and hands/arms falling asleep will happen. We want high igf1 levels just not systemic levels. We want ?local? igf1 levels high for muscle growth. So splitting up your dose into multiple injects and spacing them out will help. Sorry if I am preaching to the choir. Don?t know what you already know about this? I try not to take more than 2ius at a time. Definitely helps.

I inject the 3iu all at once sub q and the IGF IM.

I am confident is it not the gh though. A whole different feeling. I have come to the conclusion it is just from putting on all this size and so quickly. My arm goes numb from holding the phone to my ear and I have to switch. I am just swole as hell right now and it creates pressure where the muscles meet.

 

[Kluso]

I inject the 3iu all at once sub q and the IGF IM.

I am confident is it not the gh though. A whole different feeling. I have come to the conclusion it is just from putting on all this size and so quickly. My arm goes numb from holding the phone to my ear and I have to switch. I am just swole as hell right now and it creates pressure where the muscles meet.

Dam. That?s nuts! How much has your weight shot up?

 

[Dawgpound_Hank]

100mcg IGF-1-LR3 sure seems like a hefty dose if legit. Why so high? Can't you feel it at 50mcg, or 25mcg split bdpt?

 

[Dakota]

Dam. That?s nuts! How much has your weight shot up?

I used keto to get down to 178 then jumped from 178 to 195, 17lbs in less than 8 weeks. I haven't grown like this since my first cycle. I was actually up about 11 or 12lbs and still lean until I added Deca for the last two weeks and that gave me an instant water gain.

It is kinda nice to suddenly have everyone notice your size. Even my weak chest is responding and starting to look respectable!:iggthumpu

 

[Dakota]

100mcg IGF-1-LR3 sure seems like a hefty dose if legit. Why so high? Can't you feel it at 50mcg, or 25mcg split bdpt?

It is definitely legit. I am repping 225 on bench like I did in my 30s. I don't train my arms and they have jumped 1/2 inch.

You are probably right about dosage Hank, but I was using other suppliers at that dosage prior and didn't think to reduce it due to a difference in potency. The first couple of shots should have told me it was way more potent. I thought my skin was going to tear. Now I don't want to mess with success.

I have noticed lately that I am not getting the crazy pump I was for the first few weeks. I may have maxed my receptors because of the longer half life of LR3, so I am switching over to DES for a week or 2 and then back to LR3 through week 12.

 

[Aklion]

Are you using caber? When I run deca or tren, I don't sleep well at all if I'm not using caber to control prolactin. It's possible that you have been experiencing the numbness while you sleep before you introduced deca and now that prolactin is higher you aren't sleeping as deeply so it actually bothers you. I even notice problems staying asleep due to higher prolactin from using grhp2 when I dose more than twice per day

 

[Dakota]

Are you using caber? When I run deca or tren, I don't sleep well at all if I'm not using caber to control prolactin. It's possible that you have been experiencing the numbness while you sleep before you introduced deca and now that prolactin is higher you aren't sleeping as deeply so it actually bothers you. I even notice problems staying asleep due to higher prolactin from using grhp2 when I dose more than twice per day

I have never had an issue with Deca. It has always been one of my go to choices. The only side I get is water retention. I have always thought deca dick was psychological. You take an inject and then you worry about your dick getting hard and then you can't get you dick hard. It never affects me.

It is really not the soundness of my sleep it is waking up with dead arms, sometimes all the way from the shoulders. Sucks.